The Future of the Linux Kernel

The Future of the Linux Kernel

[Nick W]

Hi guys I am new to the LKML so Hi! Anyway I think the Linux Kernel is
great! (Love C development on anything what so ever!) But what do you
think the future of it is? Please can you guys have a think and we can
decide!

Re: The Future of the Linux Kernel

[Neil Brown]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 18:34:36 +1200
Nick W <n60storm4@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi guys I am new to the LKML so Hi! Anyway I think the Linux Kernel is
> great! (Love C development on anything what so ever!) But what do you
> think the future of it is? Please can you guys have a think and we can
> decide!

Yes said that already... if you are going to say it again at least you could
try saying it differently.

We don't plan and decide the future.  We create possible small steps
into the future and see if they survive testing and peer-review.  The future
we end up with is simple the sum of lots of these small steps.

What would *you* like the future to be?  Please answer in the form of a patch.

NeilBrown

Re: The Future of the Linux Kernel

[Neil Brown]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:09:17 +0800
"zhanglx" <zhanglx@semico.com.cn> wrote:

> Good answer, the future is determined by now.
> But the kernel is very complex. It's too difficult for beginners. :(

We were all beginners once!
Yes, the kernel is much more complex than it once was, so understanding a
whole subsystem is a more daunting task than it once was.  But there is still
room to start.  www.kernelnewbies.org/  is supposed to be a good place to
start.

We all learn to read before we can write.  I recommend the same with the
kernel.  Read lots of code, improve the documentation as you go, submit
little patches for little bugs that you find, get interested, build courage,
see where you end up.

NeilBrown


> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>
> To: "Nick W" <n60storm4@gmail.com>
> Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:51 PM
> Subject: Re: The Future of the Linux Kernel
> 
> 
> > On Tue, 25 May 2010 18:34:36 +1200
> > Nick W <n60storm4@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> Hi guys I am new to the LKML so Hi! Anyway I think the Linux Kernel is
> >> great! (Love C development on anything what so ever!) But what do you
> >> think the future of it is? Please can you guys have a think and we can
> >> decide!
> > 
> > Yes said that already... if you are going to say it again at least you could
> > try saying it differently.
> > 
> > We don't plan and decide the future.  We create possible small steps
> > into the future and see if they survive testing and peer-review.  The future
> > we end up with is simple the sum of lots of these small steps.
> > 
> > What would *you* like the future to be?  Please answer in the form of a patch.
> > 
> > NeilBrown
> > --
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Re: The Future of the Linux Kernel

[zhanglx]

I will not say interest or no interest on Linux kernel. I just want to know how it runs on earth because a lot of talent people working on it. :)

I do not know how to submit patches. Is it processed by GIT tool?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>
To: "zhanglx" <zhanglx@semico.com.cn>
Cc: "Nick W" <n60storm4@gmail.com>; <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: The Future of the Linux Kernel


> On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:09:17 +0800
> "zhanglx" <zhanglx@semico.com.cn> wrote:
> 
>> Good answer, the future is determined by now.
>> But the kernel is very complex. It's too difficult for beginners. :(
> 
> We were all beginners once!
> Yes, the kernel is much more complex than it once was, so understanding a
> whole subsystem is a more daunting task than it once was.  But there is still
> room to start.  www.kernelnewbies.org/  is supposed to be a good place to
> start.
> 
> We all learn to read before we can write.  I recommend the same with the
> kernel.  Read lots of code, improve the documentation as you go, submit
> little patches for little bugs that you find, get interested, build courage,
> see where you end up.
> 
> NeilBrown
> 
> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>
>> To: "Nick W" <n60storm4@gmail.com>
>> Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:51 PM
>> Subject: Re: The Future of the Linux Kernel
>> 
>> 
>> > On Tue, 25 May 2010 18:34:36 +1200
>> > Nick W <n60storm4@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Hi guys I am new to the LKML so Hi! Anyway I think the Linux Kernel is
>> >> great! (Love C development on anything what so ever!) But what do you
>> >> think the future of it is? Please can you guys have a think and we can
>> >> decide!
>> > 
>> > Yes said that already... if you are going to say it again at least you could
>> > try saying it differently.
>> > 
>> > We don't plan and decide the future.  We create possible small steps
>> > into the future and see if they survive testing and peer-review.  The future
>> > we end up with is simple the sum of lots of these small steps.
>> > 
>> > What would *you* like the future to be?  Please answer in the form of a patch.
>> > 
>> > NeilBrown
>> > --
>> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
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Re: The Future of the Linux Kernel

[Anca Emanuel]

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:39 AM, zhanglx <zhanglx@semico.com.cn> wrote:
> I will not say interest or no interest on Linux kernel. I just want to know how it runs on earth because a lot of talent people working on it. :)
>
> I do not know how to submit patches. Is it processed by GIT tool?

Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLBrBBImJt4 is a tutorial by Greg

Re: The Future of the Linux Kernel

[Randy Dunlap]

On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:39:40 +0800 zhanglx wrote:

> I will not say interest or no interest on Linux kernel. I just want to know how it runs on earth because a lot of talent people working on it. :)
> 
> I do not know how to submit patches. Is it processed by GIT tool?


It can be processed by git, but that is not required.

The Documentation/ subdirectory in the kernel tree contains these files
that should help you:

SubmittingPatches
SubmittingDrivers
SubmitChecklist


> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>
> To: "zhanglx" <zhanglx@semico.com.cn>
> Cc: "Nick W" <n60storm4@gmail.com>; <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: The Future of the Linux Kernel
> 
> 
> > On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:09:17 +0800
> > "zhanglx" <zhanglx@semico.com.cn> wrote:
> > 
> >> Good answer, the future is determined by now.
> >> But the kernel is very complex. It's too difficult for beginners. :(
> > 
> > We were all beginners once!
> > Yes, the kernel is much more complex than it once was, so understanding a
> > whole subsystem is a more daunting task than it once was.  But there is still
> > room to start.  www.kernelnewbies.org/  is supposed to be a good place to
> > start.
> > 
> > We all learn to read before we can write.  I recommend the same with the
> > kernel.  Read lots of code, improve the documentation as you go, submit
> > little patches for little bugs that you find, get interested, build courage,
> > see where you end up.
> > 
> > NeilBrown
> > 
> > 
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Neil Brown" <neilb@suse.de>
> >> To: "Nick W" <n60storm4@gmail.com>
> >> Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:51 PM
> >> Subject: Re: The Future of the Linux Kernel
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > On Tue, 25 May 2010 18:34:36 +1200
> >> > Nick W <n60storm4@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > 
> >> >> Hi guys I am new to the LKML so Hi! Anyway I think the Linux Kernel is
> >> >> great! (Love C development on anything what so ever!) But what do you
> >> >> think the future of it is? Please can you guys have a think and we can
> >> >> decide!
> >> > 
> >> > Yes said that already... if you are going to say it again at least you could
> >> > try saying it differently.
> >> > 
> >> > We don't plan and decide the future.  We create possible small steps
> >> > into the future and see if they survive testing and peer-review.  The future
> >> > we end up with is simple the sum of lots of these small steps.
> >> > 
> >> > What would *you* like the future to be?  Please answer in the form of a patch.
> >> > 
> >> > NeilBrown
> >> > --
> >> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
> >> > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
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---
~Randy
*** Remember to use Documentation/SubmitChecklist when testing your code ***

Re: The Future of the Linux Kernel

[zhanglx]

Thanks, I try to open it but failed. perhaps it can not be opened in China. 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anca Emanuel" <anca.emanuel@gmail.com>
To: "zhanglx" <zhanglx@semico.com.cn>
Cc: "linux-kernel" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: The Future of the Linux Kernel


> On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:39 AM, zhanglx <zhanglx@semico.com.cn> wrote:
>> I will not say interest or no interest on Linux kernel. I just want to know how it runs on earth because a lot of talent people working on it. :)
>>
>> I do not know how to submit patches. Is it processed by GIT tool?
> 
> Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLBrBBImJt4 is a tutorial by Gregÿôèº{.nÇ+‰·Ÿ®‰­†+%ŠËÿ±éݶ\x17¥Šwÿº{.nÇ+‰·¥Š{±þG«éÿŠ{ayº\x1dʇڙë,j\a­¢f£¢·hšïêÿ‘êçz_è®\x03(­éšŽŠÝ¢j"ú\x1a¶^[m§ÿÿ¾\a«þG«éÿ¢¸?™¨è­Ú&£ø§~á¶iO•æ¬z·švØ^\x14\x04\x1a¶^[m§ÿÿÃ\fÿ¶ìÿ¢¸?–I¥