From: "Martin Eriksson" <nitrax@giron.wox.org>
To: "Steve Brueggeman" <xioborg@yahoo.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Journaling pointless with today's hard disks?
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:49:19 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <002f01c176d4$f79a3f70$0201a8c0@HOMER> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <tgpu68gw34.fsf@mercury.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <20011124103642.A32278@vega.ipal.net> <20011124184119.C12133@emma1.emma.line.org> <tgy9kwf02c.fsf@mercury.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <4.3.2.7.2.20011124150445.00bd4240@10.1.1.42> <3C002D41.9030708@zytor.com> <0f050uosh4lak5fl1r07bs3t1ecdonc4c0@4ax.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Brueggeman" <xioborg@yahoo.com>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Journaling pointless with today's hard disks?
<snip>
> >There is no "power monitor" in a PC system (at least not that is visible
> >to the drive) -- if the drive needs it, it has to provide it itself.
> >
> >It's definitely the responsibility of the drive to recover gracefully
> >from such an event, which means that it writes anything that it has
> >committed to the host to write;
> Correct. If a write gets interrupted in the middle of it's operation,
> it has not yet returned any completion status, (unless you've enabled
> write-caching, in which case, you're already asking for trouble) A
> subsequent read of this half-written sector can return uncorrectable
> status though, which would be unfortunate if this sector was your
> allocation table, and the write was a read-modify-write.
>
> >anything it hasn't gotten committed to
> >write (but has received) can be written or not written, but must not
> >cause a failure of the drive.
> Reading a sector that was a partial-write because of a power-loss, and
> returning UNCORRECTABLE status, is not a failure of the drive.
I sure think the drives could afford the teeny-weeny cost of a power failure
detection unit, that when a power loss/sway is detected, halts all
operations to the platters except for the writing of the current sector.
_____________________________________________________
| Martin Eriksson <nitrax@giron.wox.org>
| MSc CSE student, department of Computing Science
| Umeå University, Sweden
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-11-26 23:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-11-24 13:03 Journaling pointless with today's hard disks? Florian Weimer
2001-11-24 13:40 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-24 16:36 ` Phil Howard
2001-11-24 17:19 ` Charles Marslett
2001-11-24 17:31 ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-24 17:41 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-24 19:20 ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-24 19:29 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-24 22:51 ` John Alvord
2001-11-24 23:41 ` Phil Howard
2001-11-25 0:24 ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-25 0:53 ` Phil Howard
2001-11-25 1:25 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-25 1:44 ` Sven.Riedel
2001-11-24 22:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-25 4:49 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-24 23:04 ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
2001-11-24 23:23 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-24 23:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-26 18:05 ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-26 23:49 ` Martin Eriksson [this message]
2001-11-27 0:06 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-27 0:16 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-27 7:38 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-27 11:48 ` Ville Herva
2001-11-27 0:18 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-27 1:01 ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-27 1:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27 1:57 ` Steve Underwood
2001-11-27 5:04 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-25 12:30 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-25 15:04 ` Barry K. Nathan
2001-11-25 16:31 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 2:39 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-03 10:23 ` Matthias Andree
[not found] ` <mailman.1006644421.6553.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-11-25 4:20 ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-11-25 13:52 ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
2001-11-25 9:14 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-11-25 22:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-26 16:59 ` Rob Landley
2001-11-26 20:30 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-26 20:35 ` Rob Landley
2001-11-26 23:59 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-27 0:24 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27 0:52 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27 1:11 ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-27 1:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27 16:59 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 16:56 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 1:23 ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-26 23:00 ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27 2:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27 0:19 ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27 23:35 ` Andreas Bombe
2001-11-28 14:32 ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27 3:39 ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-27 7:03 ` Ville Herva
2001-11-27 16:50 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 20:31 ` Rob Landley
2001-11-28 18:43 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-28 18:46 ` Rob Landley
2001-11-28 22:19 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-29 22:21 ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-01 10:55 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-02 0:08 ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-03 20:04 ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-26 20:53 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-26 21:18 ` Journaling pointless with today's hard disks? [wandering OT] Rob Landley
2001-11-27 0:32 ` Journaling pointless with today's hard disks? H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27 16:39 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 17:42 ` Martin Eriksson
2001-11-28 16:35 ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-26 17:14 ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-26 20:36 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-26 21:14 ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-26 21:36 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-27 16:36 ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-27 20:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2001-11-27 21:28 ` Wayne Whitney
2001-11-27 21:52 ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-28 11:53 ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-11-25 1:20 dnu478nt5w@mailexpire.com
2001-11-28 14:36 Galappatti, Kishantha
2001-11-28 17:22 David Balazic
2001-11-28 23:25 Frank de Lange
2001-11-29 1:52 ` Matthias Andree
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