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From: "Martin Eriksson" <nitrax@giron.wox.org>
To: "Steve Brueggeman" <xioborg@yahoo.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Journaling pointless with today's hard disks?
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:49:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <002f01c176d4$f79a3f70$0201a8c0@HOMER> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <tgpu68gw34.fsf@mercury.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <20011124103642.A32278@vega.ipal.net> <20011124184119.C12133@emma1.emma.line.org> <tgy9kwf02c.fsf@mercury.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <4.3.2.7.2.20011124150445.00bd4240@10.1.1.42> <3C002D41.9030708@zytor.com> <0f050uosh4lak5fl1r07bs3t1ecdonc4c0@4ax.com>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Brueggeman" <xioborg@yahoo.com>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: Journaling pointless with today's hard disks?

<snip>

> >There is no "power monitor" in a PC system (at least not that is visible
> >to the drive) -- if the drive needs it, it has to provide it itself.
> >
> >It's definitely the responsibility of the drive to recover gracefully
> >from such an event, which means that it writes anything that it has
> >committed to the host to write;
> Correct.  If a write gets interrupted in the middle of it's operation,
> it has not yet returned any completion status, (unless you've enabled
> write-caching, in which case, you're already asking for trouble)  A
> subsequent read of this half-written sector can return uncorrectable
> status though, which would be unfortunate if this sector was your
> allocation table, and the write was a read-modify-write.
>
> >anything it hasn't gotten committed to
> >write (but has received) can be written or not written, but must not
> >cause a failure of the drive.
> Reading a sector that was a partial-write because of a power-loss, and
> returning UNCORRECTABLE status, is not a failure of the drive.

I sure think the drives could afford the teeny-weeny cost of a power failure
detection unit, that when a power loss/sway is detected, halts all
operations to the platters except for the writing of the current sector.

_____________________________________________________
|  Martin Eriksson <nitrax@giron.wox.org>
|  MSc CSE student, department of Computing Science
|  Umeå University, Sweden



  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-26 23:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-24 13:03 Journaling pointless with today's hard disks? Florian Weimer
2001-11-24 13:40 ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-24 16:36   ` Phil Howard
2001-11-24 17:19     ` Charles Marslett
2001-11-24 17:31     ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-24 17:41     ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-24 19:20       ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-24 19:29         ` Rik van Riel
2001-11-24 22:51           ` John Alvord
2001-11-24 23:41             ` Phil Howard
2001-11-25  0:24               ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-25  0:53                 ` Phil Howard
2001-11-25  1:25                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-25  1:44                   ` Sven.Riedel
2001-11-24 22:28         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-25  4:49           ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-24 23:04         ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
2001-11-24 23:23         ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-24 23:29           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-26 18:05             ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-26 23:49               ` Martin Eriksson [this message]
2001-11-27  0:06                 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-27  0:16                   ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-27  7:38                     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-27 11:48                       ` Ville Herva
2001-11-27  0:18                 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-11-27  1:01                   ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-27  1:33                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27  1:57                   ` Steve Underwood
2001-11-27  5:04                   ` Stephen Satchell
2001-11-25 12:30         ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-25 15:04           ` Barry K. Nathan
2001-11-25 16:31             ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27  2:39               ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-03 10:23                 ` Matthias Andree
     [not found]         ` <mailman.1006644421.6553.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-11-25  4:20           ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-11-25 13:52           ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
2001-11-25  9:14 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-11-25 22:55   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-11-26 16:59   ` Rob Landley
2001-11-26 20:30     ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-26 20:35       ` Rob Landley
2001-11-26 23:59         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-11-27  0:24           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27  0:52             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27  1:11               ` Andrew Morton
2001-11-27  1:15                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27 16:59                   ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 16:56               ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27  1:23         ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-26 23:00           ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27  2:41             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27  0:19               ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27 23:35                 ` Andreas Bombe
2001-11-28 14:32                   ` Rob Landley
2001-11-27  3:39             ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-27  7:03         ` Ville Herva
2001-11-27 16:50         ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 20:31           ` Rob Landley
2001-11-28 18:43             ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-28 18:46               ` Rob Landley
2001-11-28 22:19                 ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-29 22:21                   ` Pavel Machek
2001-12-01 10:55                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2001-12-02  0:08                     ` Matthias Andree
2001-12-03 20:04                       ` Pavel Machek
2001-11-26 20:53     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-11-26 21:18       ` Journaling pointless with today's hard disks? [wandering OT] Rob Landley
2001-11-27  0:32       ` Journaling pointless with today's hard disks? H. Peter Anvin
2001-11-27 16:39     ` Matthias Andree
2001-11-27 17:42       ` Martin Eriksson
2001-11-28 16:35         ` Ian Stirling
2001-11-26 17:14 ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-26 20:36   ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-26 21:14     ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-26 21:36       ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-27 16:36         ` Steve Brueggeman
2001-11-27 20:04           ` Bill Davidsen
2001-11-27 21:28         ` Wayne Whitney
2001-11-27 21:52           ` Andre Hedrick
2001-11-28 11:53             ` Pedro M. Rodrigues
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-11-25  1:20 dnu478nt5w@mailexpire.com
2001-11-28 14:36 Galappatti, Kishantha
2001-11-28 17:22 David Balazic
2001-11-28 23:25 Frank de Lange
2001-11-29  1:52 ` Matthias Andree

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