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From: "Hua Zhong" <hzhong@gmail.com>
To: "'Carlo Florendo'" <subscribermail@gmail.com>,
	"'Roman Zippel'" <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: "'Linus Torvalds'" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"'jos poortvliet'" <jos@mijnkamer.nl>, <ck@vds.kolivas.org>,
	"'Michael Chang'" <thenewme91@gmail.com>,
	"'Kasper Sandberg'" <lkml@metanurb.dk>,
	"'Linux Kernel Mailing List'" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:16:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <005001c7d403$8d7601a0$a86204e0$@com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46B01E3F.6050401@gmail.com>

> Did Ingo have the obligation to improve Con's work? Definitely not.
> Did Con have a right to get Ingo's improvements or
> suggestions? Definitely not.

Yes, and that's where the inequality is.

Unless the maintainer does a really bad job or pisses off Linus,
anyone who wants to merge his code into mainline pretty much
has to get the blessing of the maintainer. On the other hand,
as you just said, the maintainer has no such obligation.

> There are no such rights in this open source
> development framework (TM).
> 
> What Ingo did, I think, was what he wanted and he has the right to do
> that.

I think it's the maintainer's privilege, not right.

> in the open source world, that which is superior (i.e. code, function, 
> not person) has the right to exist and the inferior to die away.  

I don't think it's the code superiority that decided the fate of the two
schedulers. When CFS came out, the fate of SD was pretty much already
decided. The fact is that Linus trusts Ingo, and as such he wants to merge
Ingo's code. Of course I cannot say it's wrong, and Ingo's earned this
it through years of hard work, but let's not kid ourselves and deny the
obvious fact.

I think Con was simply too frustrated after years of rejection. He could
have been more diplomatic this time round. But no matter how he'd have
done, once Ingo decided to write a new scheduler, the outcome was pretty
much already decided.

SD (and years of Con's work) inspired CFS. This is a fact. No matter how
smart and capable Ingo is, he needs inspiration to keep the good work going.
So I wish Ingo could work more closely with others and let them share a bit
more credit which would just produce even better work.

Hua



  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-01  6:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 227+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-22 21:04 Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Linus Torvalds
2007-07-22 22:10 ` Andre Noll
2007-07-22 22:22   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-22 23:23     ` Andre Noll
2007-07-22 23:31       ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]         ` <20070722233840.GJ30660@skl-net.de>
2007-07-22 23:56           ` vdso.so mislinked by buggy linker was " Andi Kleen
2007-07-23  6:03             ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-23  8:02               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 12:45             ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-23 14:44               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23  6:07         ` Jakub Jelinek
2007-07-22 23:33 ` Alistair John Strachan
2007-07-22 23:51   ` Roland McGrath
2007-07-23  0:07     ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-23  0:31       ` Roland McGrath
2007-07-23  1:43         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-23  1:20 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  1:23 ` Paul Mundt
2007-07-23  1:27   ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  1:40     ` Paul Mundt
2007-07-23  4:11   ` Greg KH
2007-07-23  2:48 ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  7:14 ` alpha, i386,mips,powerpc,ppc,xtensa compile brakage (was Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1) Jan Dittmer
2007-07-23  7:56   ` Stephen Rothwell
2007-07-23 13:57   ` Josh Boyer
2007-07-23 14:02     ` Gabriel C
2007-07-23  9:50 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1: ACPI-related oops on x86_64 Mel Gorman
2007-07-23 17:15   ` Len Brown
2007-07-24 10:37     ` Mel Gorman
     [not found] ` <46A40BC7.9030209@googlemail.com>
2007-07-23  2:42   ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Gabriel C
2007-07-23 15:47   ` Bob Picco
2007-07-23 15:54     ` Luck, Tony
2007-07-23 15:52 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1, xen fix Ingo Molnar
2007-07-23 16:43 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Gabriel C
2007-07-23 16:57   ` Ismail Dönmez
2007-07-23 20:44     ` Alessandro Suardi
2007-07-24 14:49       ` Len Brown
2007-07-23 18:38 ` 2.6.23-rc1: BUG_ON in kmap_atomic_prot() Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 19:01   ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 20:24     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-23 20:40       ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 21:01         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 21:11           ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-23 21:28             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-23 21:37               ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-24 17:59               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-24 18:14                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 18:28                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 19:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 19:40                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-24 19:48                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26 18:07                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-26 18:19                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:27                       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-24 19:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26  6:09                   ` commit 7e92b4fc34 - x86, serial: convert legacy COM ports to platform devices - broke my serial console H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 22:04             ` 2.6.23-rc1: BUG_ON in kmap_atomic_prot() Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-23 22:27               ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24  5:20                 ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-24  8:17                 ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-24  8:22                   ` Jens Axboe
2007-07-24  8:34                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 14:00                       ` Dan Williams
2007-07-24 13:55                     ` Dan Williams
2007-07-24 10:01       ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-24 10:37         ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-24 16:28         ` Andrew Morton
2007-07-24 18:25           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:05             ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-07-25 17:44               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2007-07-25  5:09             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-27 11:43 ` SD still better than CFS for 3d \b(was Re: 2.6.23-rc1) Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-29 17:06   ` SD still better than CFS for 3d ?(was " Ingo Molnar
     [not found]     ` <930f95dc0707291154j102494d9m58f4cc452c7ff17c@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-29 20:47       ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
     [not found]         ` <930f95dc0707291431j4e50214di3c01cd44b5597502@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-30  1:20           ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30 11:46           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:04             ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-30 18:38               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 21:05                 ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 16:36                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:19             ` david
2007-07-30 19:01               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 19:03                 ` david
2007-07-30 19:08                   ` Ingo Molnar
     [not found]             ` <op.tv90xghwatcbto@linux.site>
     [not found]               ` <d3380cee0707300831m33d896aufcbdb188576940a2@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-30 16:25                 ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-30 16:50                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-30 17:09                     ` Kyle Rose
2007-07-30 16:50                   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-07-30 16:58                     ` Rashkae
2007-07-30 17:51                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-07-30 18:29                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-30 19:53                     ` [ck] Re: SD still better than CFS for 3d ? Roland Dreier
2007-07-30 21:26                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-07-31  3:07                       ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31  7:01                         ` Martin Schwidefsky
2007-07-31 12:13                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-01  5:25                         ` Adrian Bunk
2007-08-01  6:19                           ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-08-01  7:50                             ` Adrian Bunk
2007-07-30 17:54             ` [ck] Re: SD still better than CFS for 3d ?(was Re: 2.6.23-rc1) Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-30 19:10               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 21:24                 ` Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-30 21:34                   ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-30 22:45                     ` Kenneth Prugh
2007-07-31  9:45                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 13:16                     ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 13:32                       ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 14:09                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 15:57                         ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 16:23                           ` Miguel Figueiredo
2007-07-31 17:02                             ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 14:18                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 16:14                         ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 16:45                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 23:46     ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-31  6:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-07-31  8:57         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31  9:11           ` Alan Cox
2007-07-31  9:13             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31  9:19               ` Avi Kivity
2007-07-31  9:44                 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-01 23:43           ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-08-02 12:10             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 15:42               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-08 14:38                 ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-08-03  6:31               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02  2:35           ` Lee Revell
2007-08-02 11:45             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-02 13:39               ` Trond Myklebust
2007-08-02 13:03             ` J. Bruce Fields
     [not found]       ` <op.twbll7ugatcbto@linux.site>
2007-07-31  8:32         ` [ck] " Ingo Molnar
2007-07-28  2:04 ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28  2:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28  7:09     ` [ck] " Grzegorz Kulewski
     [not found]       ` <954c7c800707280045t4607cebfj532ef025a7a57c05@mail.gmail.com>
2007-07-28 17:12         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 17:33           ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 18:05             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 20:51               ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-28 20:59                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-29  5:04                   ` Roland Dreier
2007-07-28 21:09                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 22:16                   ` Alex Besogonov
2007-07-29  9:37                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29  9:04               ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 10:28                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29 10:56                   ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 17:42                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29 18:23                       ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 18:54                         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-29 19:18                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-31  1:15                             ` Carlo Florendo
2007-07-31  9:57                               ` Bill Huey
2007-07-31 12:00                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-01  2:54                                 ` Carlo Florendo
2007-07-29 20:24                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-29 19:25                         ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-07-29  8:42           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29  9:25           ` Tomas Carnecky
2007-07-28  7:36     ` Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-28 10:40       ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-28 16:10         ` Reporting bugs (was Re: [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1) Stefan Richter
2007-07-28 16:21           ` Michal Piotrowski
2007-07-28  9:44     ` Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 17:50       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 18:07         ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 19:13         ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 19:34           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 21:33             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 21:55               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 22:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-01  9:21             ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-07-28 10:05     ` [ck] " Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-28 11:06       ` Dirk Schoebel
2007-07-28 13:18     ` Michael Chang
2007-07-28 17:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 18:03         ` jos poortvliet
2007-07-28 18:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-28 19:28             ` jos poortvliet
2007-07-28 20:07               ` Bill Huey
2007-07-28 21:06                 ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-28 21:32                   ` Bill Huey
2007-07-28 22:18                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29  1:00                       ` Bill Huey
2007-07-29 14:31                         ` Diego Calleja
2007-07-29 18:31                           ` Martin Steigerwald
2007-07-29 20:25                           ` Mike Galbraith
2007-07-29 21:48                             ` Bill Huey
2007-07-30  5:03                               ` Mike Galbraith
2007-08-07  6:55                   ` Daniel Phillips
2007-08-07 15:33                     ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 20:31               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29  0:03                 ` Con Kolivas
2007-07-29  1:23                   ` Charles philip Chan
2007-08-01  4:17                 ` Roman Zippel
2007-08-01  5:46                   ` Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01  6:16                     ` Hua Zhong [this message]
2007-08-01  7:05                       ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter who's code gets merged! Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01  7:12                         ` Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01  8:14                         ` jos
2007-08-01 14:02                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-01 18:40                             ` Hua Zhong
2007-08-01 22:04                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-02 15:22                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2007-08-02 20:03                         ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-08-02 20:05                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-02 20:33                             ` Frank Ch. Eigler
2007-08-04  8:04                           ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 -- It does not matter whose " Daniel Phillips
2007-08-01  7:09                       ` [ck] Re: Linus 2.6.23-rc1 Carlo Florendo
2007-08-01 12:31                       ` Alan Cox
2007-07-28 21:07     ` Jory A. Pratt
2007-07-29 15:04   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-29 23:04     ` George Sescher
2007-07-29 23:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-29 23:38         ` George Sescher
2007-07-29 23:58           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-30  5:12         ` [ck] " Matthew Hawkins
2007-07-31 10:05         ` Bill Huey
2007-07-31 14:04           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-31 15:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-30  6:44       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30  7:06         ` George Sescher
2007-07-30  7:55           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30  9:26             ` George Sescher
2007-07-30 10:26               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-07-30 16:13     ` Kasper Sandberg
2007-07-28 14:52 ` Ronni Nielsen
2007-07-28 17:30   ` Linus Torvalds

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