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From: "Paul Fulghum" <paulkf@microgate.com>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 18:59:44 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <006f01c0e188$f22fe1c0$0201a8c0@mojo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E151ZTj-0002pT-00@the-village.bc.nu>

>> 90% of drivers contain code written by stupid gits.
>
> From: "Alan Cox"
> I think thats a very arrogant and very mistaken view of the problem. 90%
> of the driver are written by people who are
> 
> - Copying from other drivers
> - Using the existing API's to make their job easy
> - Working to timescales
> - Just want it to work

I'll be the first to admit there is some ugliness in my driver.

Some originates from accepted methods when the
driver originated. (points 1 and 2 above)

Some comes from doing new things with only the
existing infrastructure, because changing the infrastructure
is deemed too intrusive. (points 3 and 4 above)
Stable infrastructure is good, but sometimes ugliness results.

Some is the result of genuine mistakes (people who
have written nothing but perfect code flame away).
I fix these as they are found through use and review,
and the code improves. (I *really do* want my driver to work!)

As new facilities and guidelines are made available,
I *gladly* and *gratefully* use them, and the code improves.

Calling driver writers stupid and devising punitive measures
to 'cause them pain' seems less useful.

Paul Fulghum paulkf@microgate.com
Microgate Corporation http://www.microgate.com



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-05-20 23:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 164+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-19  6:23 [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code in userspace Ben LaHaise
2001-05-19  6:57 ` [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace Andrew Clausen
2001-05-19  7:04   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-19  7:23     ` Andrew Clausen
2001-05-19  8:30       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-19 10:13         ` Andrew Clausen
2001-05-19 14:02         ` [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code Alan Cox
2001-05-19 16:48           ` Erik Mouw
2001-05-19 17:45             ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-05-19 19:38               ` Erik Mouw
2001-05-19 20:53                 ` Steven Walter
2001-05-19 18:51           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-20  2:18             ` Matthew Wilcox
2001-05-20  2:22               ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-20  2:34                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2001-05-20  2:48                   ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-20  3:26                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-20 10:23                       ` Russell King
2001-05-20 10:35                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 18:46                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-20 18:57                           ` Russell King
2001-05-20 19:10                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-20 19:42                               ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 20:07                                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-20 20:33                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 23:59                                   ` Paul Fulghum [this message]
2001-05-21  0:36                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21  3:08                                       ` Paul Fulghum
2001-05-20 20:07                                 ` Alan Cox
2001-05-20 23:46                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2001-05-21  0:32                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21  3:12                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-21 19:32                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-23  1:15                                     ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-20  2:36                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20  2:51                   ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-20 21:13                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-21 20:20                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 20:41                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 21:29                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 21:51                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 21:56                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-21 22:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-21 22:22                                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-22  2:28                                     ` Paul Mackerras
2001-05-22 15:41                                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-22 13:33                                   ` Jan Harkes
2001-05-22 16:30                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-22  0:22                               ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-22  0:57                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2001-05-22  1:13                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-22  1:18                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2001-05-22  7:49                                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-22 15:31                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2001-05-22 15:31                                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-22 15:38                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2001-05-22 15:42                                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-20  2:31             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 16:57             ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-20 19:02               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-20 19:11                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 19:18                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2001-05-20 19:24                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 19:34                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-20 19:27                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-20 19:33                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 19:38                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-20 19:57                 ` David Woodhouse
2001-05-21 13:57                 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-19  9:11     ` [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code inuserspace Andrew Morton
2001-05-19  9:20       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-19  7:58   ` Ben LaHaise
2001-05-19  8:10     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-19  8:16       ` Ben LaHaise
2001-05-19  8:32         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-19  9:42 ` [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code in userspace Christer Weinigel
2001-05-19  9:51 ` Christer Weinigel
2001-05-19 11:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-19 14:25   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-21  8:14     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2001-05-22  9:07       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-19 13:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-19 13:57 ` Why side-effects on open(2) are evil. (was Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup) Alexander Viro
2001-05-19 15:10   ` Why side-effects on open(2) are evil. (was Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH]device " Abramo Bagnara
2001-05-19 15:18     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-19 16:01     ` Willem Konynenberg
2001-05-20 20:52       ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-20 20:53       ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19 18:13   ` Why side-effects on open(2) are evil. (was Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device " Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 23:19     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-19 23:31       ` Why side-effects on open(2) are evil. (was Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH]device " Jeff Garzik
2001-05-19 23:32         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-19 23:39         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 15:47           ` F_CTRLFD (was Re: Why side-effects on open(2) are evil.) Edgar Toernig
2001-05-20 16:20             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20 19:01               ` Edgar Toernig
2001-05-20 19:30                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-21 17:16           ` Why side-effects on open(2) are evil. (was Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH]device arguments from lookup) Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-21 16:26             ` David Lang
2001-05-21 18:04               ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-21 20:14             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-22 15:24               ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-22 16:51                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-22 17:49                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-22 20:22                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-23  4:19                   ` Edgar Toernig
2001-05-23  4:50                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-23 13:50                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-23 13:50                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-23 15:58                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-24  0:23                       ` Edgar Toernig
2001-05-24  7:47                         ` Marko Kreen
2001-05-24 14:39                           ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-24 15:20                             ` CHR/BLK needed? was: Re: Why side-effects on open Marko Kreen
2001-05-24 17:12                             ` Why side-effects on open(2) are evil. (was Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH]device Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-24 17:25                         ` Why side-effects on open(2) are evil. (was Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH]device arguments from lookup) Daniel Phillips
2001-05-24 20:59                           ` Edgar Toernig
2001-05-24 21:26                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-25  1:03                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-25 11:00                             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-26  3:07                               ` Edgar Toernig
2001-05-26 22:36                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-27 13:32                                   ` Edgar Toernig
2001-05-27 20:40                                     ` Ben LaHaise
2001-05-27 20:45                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-27 21:50                                       ` Marko Kreen
2001-05-28  1:26                                       ` Horst von Brand
2001-05-29 10:54                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-29 13:54                                           ` Horst von Brand
2001-05-19 23:52   ` Edgar Toernig
2001-05-20  0:18     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20  0:32       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-20  0:52         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-20  1:03         ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-20 19:41           ` Why side-effects on open(2) are evil. (was Re: [RFD Alan Cox
2001-05-21  9:45           ` Why side-effects on open(2) are evil. (was Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH]device arguments from lookup) Andrew Clausen
2001-05-21 17:22           ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-05-22 18:53           ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-24  9:20             ` Malcolm Beattie
2001-05-24 19:15               ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-22 18:41         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-22 19:06           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-22 19:16             ` Peter J. Braam
2001-05-22 20:10               ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-22 20:59                 ` Peter J. Braam
2001-05-23  9:23                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-24 21:07                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-24 22:00                   ` Hans Reiser
2001-05-25 10:56                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-01  3:24                       ` [reiserfs-list] " Hans Reiser
2001-05-23  9:13               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-20 20:23   ` Why side-effects on open(2) are evil. (was Re: [RFD w/info-PATCH] device " Pavel Machek
2001-05-21 20:38     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-19 18:31 ` [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code in userspace Linus Torvalds
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-19 15:56 Ben LaHaise
2001-05-19 16:25 ` [RFD w/info-PATCH] device arguments from lookup, partion code Alan Cox
2001-05-19 16:36   ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-19 16:44   ` Matthew Wilcox
2001-05-19 18:01   ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-19 18:34   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-19 22:34     ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-19 23:42       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-20  0:11         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-20 17:10       ` Padraig Brady
2001-05-20 19:53   ` Pavel Machek

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