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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 08/21] KVM: TDX: Increase/decrease folio ref for huge pages
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2025 00:41:38 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0072a5c0cf289b3ba4d209c9c36f54728041e12d.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aFIGFesluhuh2xAS@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com>
On Wed, 2025-06-18 at 08:19 +0800, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > I don't think a potential bug in KVM is a good enough reason. If we are
> > concerned can we think about a warning instead?
> >
> > We had talked enhancing kasan to know when a page is mapped into S-EPT in
> > the
> > past. So rather than design around potential bugs we could focus on having a
> > simpler implementation with the infrastructure to catch and fix the bugs.
> However, if failing to remove a guest private page would only cause memory
> leak,
> it's fine.
> If TDX does not hold any refcount, guest_memfd has to know that which private
> page is still mapped. Otherwise, the page may be re-assigned to other kernel
> components while it may still be mapped in the S-EPT.
KASAN detects use-after-free's like that. However, the TDX module code is not
instrumented. It won't check against the KASAN state for it's accesses.
I had a brief chat about this with Dave and Kirill. A couple ideas were
discussed. One was to use page_ext to keep a flag that says the page is in-use
by the TDX module. There was also some discussion of using a normal page flag,
and that the reserved page flag might prevent some of the MM operations that
would be needed on guestmemfd pages. I didn't see the problem when I looked.
For the solution, basically the SEAMCALL wrappers set a flag when they hand a
page to the TDX module, and clear it when they successfully reclaim it via
tdh_mem_page_remove() or tdh_phymem_page_reclaim(). Then if the page makes it
back to the page allocator, a warning is generated.
Also it was mentioned that SGX did have a similar issue to what is being worried
about here:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-sgx/aCYey1W6i7i3yPLL@gmail.com/T/#m86c8c4cf0e6b9a653bf0709a22bb360034a24d95
>
>
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This would allow guest_memfd to maintain an internal reference count
> > > > > for
> > > > > each
> > > > > private GFN. TDX would call guest_memfd_add_page_ref_count() for
> > > > > mapping
> > > > > and
> > > > > guest_memfd_dec_page_ref_count() after a successful unmapping. Before
> > > > > truncating
> > > > > a private page from the filemap, guest_memfd could increase the real
> > > > > folio
> > > > > reference count based on its internal reference count for the private
> > > > > GFN.
> > > >
> > > > What does this get us exactly? This is the argument to have less error
> > > > prone
> > > > code that can survive forgetting to refcount on error? I don't see that
> > > > it
> > > > is an
> > > > especially special case.
> > > Yes, for a less error prone code.
> > >
> > > If this approach is considered too complex for an initial implementation,
> > > using
> > > tdx_hold_page_on_error() is also a viable option.
> >
> > I'm saying I don't think it's not a good enough reason. Why is it different
> > then
> > other use-after free bugs? I feel like I'm missing something.
> By tdx_hold_page_on_error(), it could be implememented as on removal failure,
> invoke a guest_memfd interface to let guest_memfd know exact ranges still
> being
> under use by the TDX module due to unmapping failures.
> Do you think it's ok?
Either way is ok to me. It seems like we have three ok solutions. But the tone
of the thread is that we are solving some deep problem. Maybe I'm missing
something.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-06-18 0:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 294+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-04-24 3:00 [RFC PATCH 00/21] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 01/21] KVM: gmem: Allocate 2M huge page from guest_memfd backend Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 02/21] x86/virt/tdx: Enhance tdh_mem_page_aug() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 7:48 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24 8:41 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-25 6:51 ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25 7:19 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 18:52 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 9:05 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:10 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-19 9:26 ` Nikolay Borisov
2025-06-23 9:32 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15 2:16 ` Chao Gao
2025-05-16 9:07 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-08 8:48 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-08 13:55 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 15:29 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 15:32 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 22:06 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-08 23:16 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-08 23:31 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-09 2:23 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-09 14:08 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:04 ` [RFC PATCH 03/21] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_page_demote() Yan Zhao
2025-04-25 7:12 ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25 7:17 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-25 7:25 ` Binbin Wu
2025-04-25 9:24 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 18:19 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15 8:26 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15 17:28 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 2:23 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-01 21:15 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 04/21] KVM: TDX: Enforce 4KB mapping level during TD build Time Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 7:55 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24 8:49 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:12 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-15 9:16 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-15 17:32 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 10:05 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 05/21] KVM: TDX: Enhance tdx_clear_page() to support huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:17 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 2:02 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 06/21] KVM: TDX: Assert the reclaimed pages were mapped as expected Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:25 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 2:11 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:34 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:05 ` [RFC PATCH 07/21] KVM: TDX: Add a helper for WBINVD on huge pages with TD's keyID Yan Zhao
2025-05-06 8:37 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-16 3:10 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 19:29 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 3:03 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:35 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 08/21] KVM: TDX: Increase/decrease folio ref for huge pages Yan Zhao
2025-04-29 0:17 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-04-29 0:49 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-29 13:46 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-06 0:53 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-06 5:08 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-06 6:04 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-06 13:18 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-07 7:37 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-07 14:56 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-08 1:30 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-08 14:10 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-09 3:20 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-09 14:20 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-09 23:45 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-10 0:41 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-12 21:59 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-12 2:15 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-12 16:53 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-05-15 3:01 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-04 20:02 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-05 2:42 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-05 21:12 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-16 10:43 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-16 23:27 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-11 14:30 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-16 9:59 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17 0:12 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-17 1:38 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17 15:52 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18 0:19 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-06-24 22:22 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
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2025-06-25 0:01 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-25 7:29 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 23:09 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-25 23:19 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-26 15:16 ` Shutemov, Kirill
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2025-06-27 17:59 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-06-30 11:13 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-07-01 5:01 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-07-03 4:54 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-07-01 16:13 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
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2025-07-11 5:12 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-07-15 22:31 ` Ackerley Tng
2025-07-02 9:08 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-07-01 5:07 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-06-30 21:47 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-01 9:35 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-07-01 15:42 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-01 16:14 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02 8:54 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-06-25 7:08 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-06-24 22:03 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
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2025-06-17 2:00 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-06-17 6:52 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-17 8:09 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-17 9:57 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-06-18 0:46 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-06-18 6:13 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-06-18 6:32 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-06-19 0:22 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
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2025-06-19 8:11 ` Yan Zhao
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2025-04-24 3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 09/21] KVM: TDX: Enable 2MB mapping size after TD is RUNNABLE Yan Zhao
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2025-07-02 1:07 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:26 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-07-02 3:31 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-25 13:47 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-06-25 15:51 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18 1:22 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-06-18 11:32 ` Shutemov, Kirill
2025-06-20 16:32 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-20 17:44 ` Kirill Shutemov
2025-06-20 18:40 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-06-20 19:26 ` Kirill Shutemov
2025-06-13 2:41 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-06-13 3:29 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13 5:35 ` Yan Zhao
2025-06-13 6:08 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-21 15:40 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-22 3:52 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-23 23:40 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-27 1:31 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-20 23:34 ` Huang, Kai
2025-05-21 2:35 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 9:28 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 10/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Disallow page merging (huge page adjustment) for mirror root Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 20:15 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 4:01 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 17:50 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19 3:57 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 17:42 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20 10:11 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:06 ` [RFC PATCH 11/21] KVM: x86: Add "vcpu" "gfn" parameters to x86 hook private_max_mapping_level Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 12/21] KVM: TDX: Determine max mapping level according to vCPU's ACCEPT level Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 21:20 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 6:12 ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-05-16 6:30 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:02 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19 6:39 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 20:17 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 13/21] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Alloc external_spt page for mirror page table splitting Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:07 ` [RFC PATCH 14/21] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Invoke split_external_spt hook with exclusive mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 23:06 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 9:17 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:11 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19 4:01 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-19 20:21 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-20 5:40 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-20 9:40 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 15/21] KVM: TDX: Support huge page splitting with exclusive kvm->mmu_lock Yan Zhao
2025-05-20 6:18 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-20 9:40 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-02 15:47 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 16/21] KVM: x86/mmu: Introduce kvm_split_boundary_leafs() to split boundary leafs Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 22:56 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 7:46 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 8:03 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:27 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-19 8:12 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 11:44 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-16 22:16 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 17/21] KVM: Change the return type of gfn_handler_t() from bool to int Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 18/21] KVM: x86: Split huge boundary leafs before private to shared conversion Yan Zhao
2025-05-09 23:34 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-12 2:25 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-12 21:53 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-04-24 3:08 ` [RFC PATCH 19/21] KVM: gmem: Split huge boundary leafs for punch hole of private memory Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 10:19 ` Francesco Lavra
2025-04-25 1:55 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 22:59 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 8:19 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:09 ` [RFC PATCH 20/21] KVM: x86: Force a prefetch fault's max mapping level to 4KB for TDX Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 23:20 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 8:43 ` Yan Zhao
2025-05-21 3:30 ` Binbin Wu
2025-05-21 5:03 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 3:09 ` [RFC PATCH 21/21] KVM: x86: Ignore splitting huge pages in fault path " Yan Zhao
2025-05-13 21:58 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-05-16 6:40 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 7:35 ` [RFC PATCH 00/21] KVM: TDX huge page support for private memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24 8:33 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 9:05 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2025-04-24 9:08 ` Juergen Gross
2025-04-24 9:49 ` Yan Zhao
2025-04-24 10:39 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
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