From: Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>
To: Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>, Chen Yu <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
Cc: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Libo Chen <libo.chen@oracle.com>,
Abel Wu <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com>,
Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>, Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
"Gautham R . Shenoy" <gautham.shenoy@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC patch v3 01/20] sched: Cache aware load-balancing
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2025 12:57:10 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <007752e0d8318f21dae5d19d4a0a86dc15e73c2e.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b4cce11c-5ed6-4366-92c6-9a6b34998295@linux.ibm.com>
On Fri, 2025-07-04 at 00:59 +0530, Shrikanth Hegde wrote:
>
> Hi Tim, Chen,
> skimming through the series and will try to go through in coming days.
>
> >
Thanks for taking a look. Some further comments on top of Chen Yu's response.
[snip]
> >
> > +#ifdef CONFIG_SCHED_CACHE
> > + struct callback_head cache_work;
> > +#endif
> > +
> > #ifdef CONFIG_RSEQ
> > struct rseq __user *rseq;
> > u32 rseq_len;
> > diff --git a/init/Kconfig b/init/Kconfig
> > index bf3a920064be..e2509127b6f9 100644
> > --- a/init/Kconfig
> > +++ b/init/Kconfig
> > @@ -953,6 +953,10 @@ config NUMA_BALANCING
> >
> > This system will be inactive on UMA systems.
> >
> > +config SCHED_CACHE
> > + bool "Cache aware scheduler"
> > + default y
> > +
>
> Should it depend on EXPERT?
> IMO this could add quite a bit of overhead and maybe n by default?
>
We do have a SCHED_CACHE scheduler feature in the later patches.
So the feature could be turned on/off at run time by admin who don't want
to incur this overhead.
> > config NUMA_BALANCING_DEFAULT_ENABLED
> > bool "Automatically enable NUMA aware memory/task placement"
> > default y
> > diff --git a/kernel/fork.c b/kernel/fork.c
> > index 168681fc4b25..da1387823b9e 100644
> > --- a/kernel/fork.c
> > +++ b/kernel/fork.c
> > @@ -1332,6 +1332,9 @@ static struct mm_struct *mm_init(struct mm_struct *mm, struct task_struct *p,
> > if (mm_alloc_cid(mm, p))
> > goto fail_cid;
> >
[snip]
>
> > +
> > +static inline void __update_mm_sched(struct rq *rq, struct mm_sched *pcpu_sched)
> > +{
> > + lockdep_assert_held(&rq->cpu_epoch_lock);
> > +
> > + unsigned long n, now = jiffies;
> > + long delta = now - rq->cpu_epoch_next;
> > +
> > + if (delta > 0) {
> > + n = (delta + EPOCH_PERIOD - 1) / EPOCH_PERIOD;
> > + rq->cpu_epoch += n;
> > + rq->cpu_epoch_next += n * EPOCH_PERIOD;
> > + __shr_u64(&rq->cpu_runtime, n);
>
> Another doubt i had, does this occupancy works when there is CPU bandwidth controller running?
> A 50% occupancy may have different meaning when CPU bandwidth is set to 50%?
The occupancy is used to compare tasks occupancy within a process. With bandwidth
controller set to 50%, it just mean that all tasks in the process will run 50% less,
but the relative occupancy ratio between tasks should still remain the same.
[snip]
>
> > + }
> >
> > +
> > +static void task_cache_work(struct callback_head *work)
> > +{
> > + struct task_struct *p = current;
> > + struct mm_struct *mm = p->mm;
> > + unsigned long m_a_occ = 0;
> > + int cpu, m_a_cpu = -1;
> > + cpumask_var_t cpus;
> > +
> > + WARN_ON_ONCE(work != &p->cache_work);
> > +
> > + work->next = work;
> > +
> > + if (p->flags & PF_EXITING)
> > + return;
> > +
> > + if (!alloc_cpumask_var(&cpus, GFP_KERNEL))
> > + return;
> > +
> > + scoped_guard (cpus_read_lock) {
> > + cpumask_copy(cpus, cpu_online_mask);
> > +
>
> As pointed out already, this is going to be costly in multi NUMA systems. Any cross NUMA access of
> CPUs data is going to add overhead to system bus bandwidth and this happening at tick could be costly.
>
We'll consider restricting the scan on preferred NUMA node (if numa balancing is running), which
should greatly reduce the overhead.
> Also, taking cpu_read_lock does preempt_disable, this could add to large preemptoff?
> We need to measure the time it takes on large system. Will try and get back with that number
Tim
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-07 19:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-06-18 18:27 [RFC patch v3 00/20] Cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 01/20] sched: Cache aware load-balancing Tim Chen
2025-06-26 12:23 ` Jianyong Wu
2025-06-26 13:32 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-27 0:10 ` Tim Chen
2025-06-27 2:13 ` Jianyong Wu
2025-07-03 19:29 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-04 8:40 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-04 8:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-04 8:54 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-07 19:57 ` Tim Chen [this message]
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 02/20] sched: Several fixes for cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-07-03 19:33 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-07 21:02 ` Tim Chen
2025-07-08 1:15 ` Libo Chen
2025-07-08 7:54 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-08 15:47 ` Libo Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 03/20] sched: Avoid task migration within its preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 04/20] sched: Avoid calculating the cpumask if the system is overloaded Tim Chen
2025-07-03 19:39 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-07 14:57 ` Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 05/20] sched: Add hysteresis to switch a task's preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-07-02 6:47 ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-07-02 21:47 ` Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 06/20] sched: Save the per LLC utilization for better cache aware scheduling Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 07/20] sched: Add helper function to decide whether to allow " Tim Chen
2025-07-08 0:41 ` Libo Chen
2025-07-08 8:29 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-08 17:22 ` Libo Chen
2025-07-09 14:41 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-09 21:31 ` Libo Chen
2025-07-08 21:59 ` Tim Chen
2025-07-09 21:22 ` Libo Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 08/20] sched: Set up LLC indexing Tim Chen
2025-07-03 19:44 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-04 9:36 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 09/20] sched: Introduce task preferred LLC field Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 10/20] sched: Calculate the number of tasks that have LLC preference on a runqueue Tim Chen
2025-07-03 19:45 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-04 15:00 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-18 18:27 ` [RFC patch v3 11/20] sched: Introduce per runqueue task LLC preference counter Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 12/20] sched: Calculate the total number of preferred LLC tasks during load balance Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 13/20] sched: Tag the sched group as llc_balance if it has tasks prefer other LLC Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 14/20] sched: Introduce update_llc_busiest() to deal with groups having preferred LLC tasks Tim Chen
2025-07-03 19:52 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-05 2:26 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 15/20] sched: Introduce a new migration_type to track the preferred LLC load balance Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 16/20] sched: Consider LLC locality for active balance Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 17/20] sched: Consider LLC preference when picking tasks from busiest queue Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 18/20] sched: Do not migrate task if it is moving out of its preferred LLC Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 19/20] sched: Introduce SCHED_CACHE_LB to control cache aware load balance Tim Chen
2025-06-18 18:28 ` [RFC patch v3 20/20] sched: Introduce SCHED_CACHE_WAKE to control LLC aggregation on wake up Tim Chen
2025-06-19 6:39 ` [RFC patch v3 00/20] Cache aware scheduling Yangyu Chen
2025-06-19 13:21 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-19 14:12 ` Yangyu Chen
2025-06-20 19:25 ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-06-22 0:39 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-24 17:47 ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-06-23 16:45 ` Tim Chen
2025-06-24 5:00 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-06-24 12:16 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-06-25 4:19 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-06-25 0:30 ` Tim Chen
2025-06-25 4:30 ` K Prateek Nayak
2025-07-03 20:00 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-07-04 10:09 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-09 19:39 ` Madadi Vineeth Reddy
2025-07-10 3:33 ` Chen, Yu C
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