* Linux for Mobile phones and PDAs [long]
@ 2005-05-27 13:09 Emmanuel Fleury
2005-05-27 13:29 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-05-31 9:28 ` Pavel Machek
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From: Emmanuel Fleury @ 2005-05-27 13:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel
Hi all,
These last weeks have been particularly busy in the wonderful world
of consumer electronics. Linux seems to be more and more considered as a
solution for these companies !
Since approximately two years, the CELF (Consumer Electronics Linux
Forum) (http://www.celinuxforum.org/) try to harden the link between
the Linux community and companies such as Sony, IBM, Nokia, PalmSource,
and others (http://www.celinuxforum.org/MemberOrganization.htm). This
non profit organization
(http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2163552454.html) is trying (among
other things and as far as I understand it) to identify the weakness of
Linux in matter of consumer electronics and to push for strengthening
Linux in this very precise topics. Some of the results of the CELF that
have been presented in its first conference can be found here:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT9266731500.html.
Aside from that, and very recently several companies have been starting
to make some interesting announcement. For example, on May the 24th,
PalmSource opened the bal by saying: "Linux is our
platform for the future"
(http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4835848451.html). It seems that the
PalmOS kernel has been quite disappointing in matter of resources
management and Symbian was not an alternative to it. Moreover, Palm
seems to target the 3G market and need a much quicker development model
with more involved developers. So, Linux was probably one logical choice
as they joined the CELF recently
(http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8402137834.html).
Again, this week, during the LinuxWorld event in New-York, Nokia
unveiled its first tablet-PC (Nokia 770, http://www.nokia.com/770)
which is running under a 2.6.x kernel
(http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/05/25/139202.shtml?tid=100,
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5409534614.html) ! The day after,
Nokia announce that they will release patents for Open Source
development (as IBM did)
(http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/05/25/1827259.shtml?tid=155&tid=106).
But, that's not all of it, it seems that the making of the 770 has
involved quite a lot of the people of the Open Source community whom
were ask to keep a 'low profile' until the product will be released
(http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-multimedia/2005-May/msg00021.html).
So, indeed, Nokia has been funding several Open Source projects for the
last few months without advertising it too much. From my (poor)
knowledge here are some of the companies Nokia did fund for getting its
770 ready:
- Imendio (Gossip, Blam, Planner, DevHelp)
http://www.imendio.com/
http://www.imendio.com/press/show/7
- Fluendo (GStreamer, Flumotion, Pitivi, ...)
http://www.fluendo.com/
- Kernel Concepts (Contribution to Maemo)
http://www.kernelconcepts.de/
http://oss.kernelconcepts.de/
- OpenedHand (Matchbox window management software)
http://www.o-hand.com/
http://www.linuxpr.com/releases/7833.html
On the top of that, the development platform for the device is totally
free. To my knowledge (I'm sure I'm missing something), it's the first
time that a company in consumer electronics of the size of Nokia release
a complete Open Source development platform:
http://www.maemo.org/
http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html
http://www.scratchbox.org/
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3716070830.html
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8608661173.html
Speaking about the hardware, it's an ARM9 (TI-OMAP) and it's relatively
cheap to get on of these (around 400$/320€ including the LCD (optional)).
OMAP Starter Kits:
http://focus.ti.com/docs/general/splashdsp.jhtml?&path=templatedata/cm/splashdsp/data/omap5912_osk
http://oskfordummies.hp.infoseek.co.jp/
http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/FlashRecoveryUtility
http://www.ti-estore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=dStartKit
Still not convinced ? Too expensive... Well, Nokia is offering 500 of
these 770 for 99€ per unit to Open Source developers. Take you chance:
http://maemo.org/news/25052005.html
Well, all this for what ???
My guess is that Nokia is trying to test the Open Source for its phones.
The 770 is just a first try out. They have some benefit to do so, and we
all have some benefit also... It's a win/win game if we can cooperate
under appropriate agreements (maybe there is a footnote in very small
characters somewhere, but I missed it totally). My big hope is that if
the Open Source community give a good feed back to them, other companies
which have already one foot in the door, will suddenly want to get in
and focus much more on Linux for their PDA or mobile phone.
So, if these links and this e-mail can make several of you at least
trying out to develop for PDA or mobile phones (getting hardware,
writing documentations, bug fixing, patches, new code, ...), this would
be great ! :)
Regards
--
Emmanuel Fleury
Assistant Professor | Office: B1-201
Computer Science Department, | Phone: +45 96 35 72 23
Aalborg University, | Mobile: +45 26 22 98 03
Fredriks Bajersvej 7E, | E-mail: fleury@cs.aau.dk
9220 Aalborg East, Denmark | URL: www.cs.aau.dk/~fleury
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* Re: Linux for Mobile phones and PDAs [long]
2005-05-27 13:09 Linux for Mobile phones and PDAs [long] Emmanuel Fleury
@ 2005-05-27 13:29 ` Xavier Bestel
2005-05-27 21:03 ` Alan Cox
2005-05-31 9:28 ` Pavel Machek
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From: Xavier Bestel @ 2005-05-27 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Emmanuel Fleury; +Cc: linux-kernel
Le vendredi 27 mai 2005 à 15:09 +0200, Emmanuel Fleury a écrit :
> The day after,
> Nokia announce that they will release patents for Open Source
> development (as IBM did)
It's an optimistic way of seeing things ...
Xav
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* Re: Linux for Mobile phones and PDAs [long]
2005-05-27 13:29 ` Xavier Bestel
@ 2005-05-27 21:03 ` Alan Cox
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Alan Cox @ 2005-05-27 21:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Xavier Bestel; +Cc: Emmanuel Fleury, Linux Kernel Mailing List
On Gwe, 2005-05-27 at 14:29, Xavier Bestel wrote:
> Le vendredi 27 mai 2005 à 15:09 +0200, Emmanuel Fleury a écrit :
> > The day after,
> > Nokia announce that they will release patents for Open Source
> > development (as IBM did)
>
> It's an optimistic way of seeing things ...
Nokia's press spin says and grants less than their release of a GPL
product did. Its nearness to the EU vote on software patentability is I
fear what this is all about, an attempt to confuse and baffle the
finnish MEP's
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* Re: Linux for Mobile phones and PDAs [long]
2005-05-27 13:09 Linux for Mobile phones and PDAs [long] Emmanuel Fleury
2005-05-27 13:29 ` Xavier Bestel
@ 2005-05-31 9:28 ` Pavel Machek
2005-06-02 9:53 ` Richard Purdie
1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Pavel Machek @ 2005-05-31 9:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Emmanuel Fleury; +Cc: linux-kernel
Hi!
> Again, this week, during the LinuxWorld event in New-York, Nokia
> unveiled its first tablet-PC (Nokia 770, http://www.nokia.com/770)
> which is running under a 2.6.x kernel
> (http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/05/25/139202.shtml?tid=100,
> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5409534614.html) ! The day after,
> Nokia announce that they will release patents for Open Source
> development (as IBM did)
> (http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/05/05/25/1827259.shtml?tid=155&tid=106).
> But, that's not all of it, it seems that the making of the 770 has
> involved quite a lot of the people of the Open Source community whom
> were ask to keep a 'low profile' until the product will be released
> (http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-multimedia/2005-May/msg00021.html).
> So, indeed, Nokia has been funding several Open Source projects for the
> last few months without advertising it too much. From my (poor)
> knowledge here are some of the companies Nokia did fund for getting its
> 770 ready:
This is good news. OTOH sharp zauruses have been here for quite long
time, and failed to make this kind of publicity.
Pavel,
[still trying to make 2.6 mount / on his zaurus sl-5500]
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* Re: Linux for Mobile phones and PDAs [long]
2005-05-31 9:28 ` Pavel Machek
@ 2005-06-02 9:53 ` Richard Purdie
2005-06-02 21:43 ` Pavel Machek
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Richard Purdie @ 2005-06-02 9:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Pavel Machek, Emmanuel Fleury; +Cc: linux-kernel
Pavel Machek:
>Emmanuel Fleury:
>> So, indeed, Nokia has been funding several Open Source projects for the
>> last few months without advertising it too much. From my (poor)
>> knowledge here are some of the companies Nokia did fund for getting its
>> 770 ready:
>
> This is good news. OTOH sharp zauruses have been here for quite long
> time, and failed to make this kind of publicity.
>
> Pavel,
> [still trying to make 2.6 mount / on his zaurus sl-5500]
There are differences in how Nokia and Sharp are dealing with the Open
Source communities. Nokia are openly saying they want to commit development
work back to their respective projects where they can. Sharp were never
interested in doing this. If Sharp had been interested in the community, 2.6
kernels on the zaurus models would have happened long ago. As things stand,
we have 2.6 on some models but its been a long slow haul with no interest on
Sharp's part.
Whilst we don't yet know how far Nokia will go with this, everything I've
heard leads me to remain optimistic.
Richard
Openedhand Ltd.
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* Re: Linux for Mobile phones and PDAs [long]
2005-06-02 9:53 ` Richard Purdie
@ 2005-06-02 21:43 ` Pavel Machek
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Pavel Machek @ 2005-06-02 21:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Purdie; +Cc: Emmanuel Fleury, linux-kernel
Hi!
> >Emmanuel Fleury:
> >>So, indeed, Nokia has been funding several Open Source projects for the
> >>last few months without advertising it too much. From my (poor)
> >>knowledge here are some of the companies Nokia did fund for getting its
> >>770 ready:
> >
> >This is good news. OTOH sharp zauruses have been here for quite long
> >time, and failed to make this kind of publicity.
> >
> >Pavel,
> >[still trying to make 2.6 mount / on his zaurus sl-5500]
>
> There are differences in how Nokia and Sharp are dealing with the Open
> Source communities. Nokia are openly saying they want to commit development
> work back to their respective projects where they can. Sharp were never
> interested in doing this. If Sharp had been interested in the
> >community,
Yes, you are right. Nokia seems to be doing the right thing, and I
thank them for it.
Pavel
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