From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@innominate.de>
To: torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds), linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [rfc] Near-constant time directory index for Ext2
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:41:56 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <01022022544707.18944@gimli> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01022020011905.18944@gimli> <96uijf$uer$1@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <96uijf$uer$1@penguin.transmeta.com>
On Tue, 20 Feb 2001, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> In article <01022020011905.18944@gimli>,
> Daniel Phillips <phillips@innominate.de> wrote:
> >Earlier this month a runaway installation script decided to mail all its
> >problems to root. After a couple of hours the script aborted, having
> >created 65535 entries in Postfix's maildrop directory. Removing those
> >files took an awfully long time. The problem is that Ext2 does each
> >directory access using a simple, linear search though the entire
> >directory file, resulting in n**2 behaviour to create/delete n files.
> >It's about time we fixed that.
>
> Interesting.
>
> However, if you're playing with the directory structure, please consider
> getting rid of the "struct buffer_head"-centricity, and using the page
> cache instead. The page cache has much nicer caching semantics, and
> looking up data in the page cache is much faster because it never needs
> to do the "virtual->physical" translation.
Oh yes, I was planning on it. I started with the buffers version
for two main reasons version: 1) it's simple and solid and 2) it
provides the basis for a backport to 2.2 - after the 2.4/2.5 version is
complete of course.
> Talk to Al Viro about this - he's already posted patches to move the
> regular ext2 directory tree into the page cache, and they weren't
> applied to 2.4.x only because there was no great feeling of "we _must_
> do this for correctness".
>
> I see that you already considered this issue, but I wanted to bring it
> up again simply because something like this certainly looks like a
> potential candidate for 2.5.x, but I will _refuse_ to add code that
> increases our reliance of "struct buffer_head" as a caching entity. So
> I'd rather see the page cache conversion happen sooner rather than
> later...
You are preaching to the converted.
> Also, just out of interest: if you've already been worrying about
> hashes, what's the verdict on just using the native dentry hash value
> directly? It has other constraints (_really_ low latency and absolutely
> performance critical to calculate for the common case, which is not
> needing a real lookup at all), but maybe it is good enough? And if not,
> and you have done some statistics on it, I'd love to hear about it ;)
You mean full_name_hash? I will un-static it and try it. I should have
some statistics tomorrow. I have a couple of simple metrics for
measuring the effectiveness of the hash function: the uniformity of
the hash space splitting (which in turn affects the average fullness
of directory leaves) and speed.
Let the hash races begin.
--
Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-02-20 21:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-02-20 15:04 [rfc] Near-constant time directory index for Ext2 Daniel Phillips
2001-02-20 20:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-20 21:08 ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-02-20 21:20 ` Mike Dresser
2001-02-20 22:36 ` Jeremy Jackson
2001-02-20 23:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 1:04 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2001-02-21 16:38 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-20 22:58 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-20 21:41 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2001-02-21 0:22 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 0:30 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-21 2:35 ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-02-21 23:13 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 23:34 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 23:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-21 23:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 0:35 ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-02-21 1:01 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 2:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 3:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 16:33 ` Chris Mason
2001-02-22 22:30 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 17:21 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 21:08 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 21:29 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 21:32 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 21:59 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 22:26 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:43 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-02-21 22:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 22:32 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 22:50 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 22:54 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 23:07 ` Martin Mares
2001-02-21 23:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-21 23:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-21 23:52 ` Davide Libenzi
[not found] ` <3A945081.E6EB78F4@innominate.de>
2001-02-21 23:48 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 1:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 1:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 2:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 2:41 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 3:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 4:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 5:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 11:31 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-02-22 18:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-02-22 4:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 7:03 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 4:03 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-02-22 10:35 ` Alan Cox
2001-02-23 0:59 ` Felix von Leitner
2001-02-22 3:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 8:06 ` [rfc] [LONG] " Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 7:20 ` [rfc] " Bill Wendling
2001-02-22 8:34 ` Rogier Wolff
2001-02-21 23:26 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-02-22 19:04 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-02-22 6:23 ` [Ext2-devel] " tytso
2001-02-22 7:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-22 13:20 ` tytso
2001-02-22 18:16 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 23:04 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-23 20:11 ` tytso
2001-02-24 0:32 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-22 23:40 ` tytso
2001-02-22 18:38 ` Kai Henningsen
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.10.10102211740550.1933-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2001-02-21 22:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-02-23 1:52 Andries.Brouwer
2001-02-23 21:43 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-23 22:37 ` Guest section DW
2001-02-24 2:47 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-24 5:34 ` Ralph Loader
2001-02-23 2:49 Andries.Brouwer
2001-02-23 3:42 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-02-23 12:20 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-02-23 18:57 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-02-23 12:38 Andries.Brouwer
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