From: Jesse Pollard <jesse@cats-chateau.net>
To: Paul Jakma <paulj@itg.ie>, Guest section DW <dwguest@win.tue.nl>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
Michael Peddemors <michael@linuxmagic.com>,
Stephen Clouse <stephenc@theiqgroup.com>,
"Patrick O'Rourke" <orourke@missioncriticallinux.com>,
<linux-mm@kvack.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 14:19:39 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <01032414222102.03927@tabby> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103232013490.31380-100000@rossi.itg.ie>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0103232013490.31380-100000@rossi.itg.ie>
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Paul Jakma wrote:
>On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, Guest section DW wrote:
>
>> But yes, I am complaining because Linux by default is unreliable.
>
>no, your distribution is unreliable by default.
>
>> I strongly prefer a system that is reliable by default,
>> and I'll leave it to others to run it in an unreliable mode.
>
>currently, setting sensible user limits on my machines means i never
>get a hosed machine due to OOM. These limits are easy to set via
>pam_limits. (not perfect though, i think its session specific..)
Process specific. Each forked process gets the same limits. You get OOM
as soon as all processes together use more than the system capacity.
>granted, if the machine hasn't been setup with user limits, then linux
>doesn't deal at all well with OOM, so this should be fixed. but it can
>easily be argued that admin error in not configuring limits is the
>main cause for OOM.
Admin has no real control is the problem. Limits are only good for one
process. As soon as that process forks one other process then the
useage limit is twice the limit established.
>> Andries
>
>regards,
>
>--paulj
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Jesse I Pollard, II
Email: jesse@cats-chateau.net
Any opinions expressed are solely my own.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-03-24 20:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-03-21 22:54 [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-21 23:11 ` Eli Carter
2001-03-21 23:40 ` Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-21 23:48 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 8:14 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-22 9:24 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 19:29 ` Philipp Rumpf
2001-03-22 11:47 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 15:01 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 19:04 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 16:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-22 20:28 ` Stephen Clouse
2001-03-22 21:01 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-03-22 21:23 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 22:00 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 22:12 ` Ed Tomlinson
2001-03-22 22:52 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:27 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 23:37 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-26 19:04 ` James Antill
2001-03-26 20:05 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 23:40 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 20:09 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 22:21 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 22:37 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 19:57 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-22 22:10 ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 22:53 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:30 ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-22 23:40 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-22 23:43 ` Stephen Clouse
2001-03-23 19:26 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-23 20:41 ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-23 21:58 ` george anzinger
2001-03-24 5:55 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 22:18 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-24 2:08 ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-23 1:31 ` Michael Peddemors
2001-03-23 7:04 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 11:28 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 14:50 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-23 15:13 ` General 2.4 impressions (was Re: [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init) Jeff Garzik
2001-03-23 16:10 ` Adding just a pinch of icache/dcache pressure Jan Harkes
2001-03-23 16:17 ` Andi Kleen
2001-03-23 16:51 ` Jan Harkes
2001-03-23 17:21 ` [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init Guest section DW
2001-03-23 20:18 ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-24 20:19 ` Jesse Pollard [this message]
2001-03-23 23:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-23 21:11 ` José Luis Domingo López
2001-03-27 15:05 ` Anthony de Boer - USEnet
2002-03-23 0:33 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-22 23:53 ` Rik van Riel
2002-03-23 1:21 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 0:20 ` Stephen Clouse
2002-03-23 1:30 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 1:37 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 10:48 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 14:56 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-23 16:43 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-24 5:57 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 16:35 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 20:20 ` Tom Diehl
2001-03-23 23:56 ` Tim Wright
2001-03-24 0:21 ` Tom Diehl
2001-03-23 17:26 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-23 17:32 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 18:58 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 13:54 ` [PATCH] OOM handling Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 15:06 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 15:20 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 15:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-03-25 17:08 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 15:44 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 15:47 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 16:36 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-26 21:34 ` Kevin Buhr
2001-03-26 22:00 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-26 2:13 ` Matthew Chappee
2001-03-26 11:33 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-03-26 11:49 ` Jasper Spaans
2001-03-26 16:11 ` Michael Peddemors
2001-03-23 19:45 ` [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init Jonathan Morton
2001-03-23 23:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-03-25 15:30 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 20:47 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-03-25 21:51 ` [PATCH] non-overcommit memory, improved OOM handling, safety margin (was Re: Prevent OOM from killing init) Jonathan Morton
2001-03-27 15:23 ` Pavel Machek
2001-03-24 0:03 ` [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init Guest section DW
2001-03-24 7:52 ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-25 0:32 ` Kurt Garloff
2001-03-25 15:02 ` Sandy Harris
2001-03-25 18:07 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-22 14:53 ` Patrick O'Rourke
2001-03-22 19:24 ` Philipp Rumpf
2001-03-22 22:20 ` James A. Sutherland
2001-03-23 17:31 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-24 5:54 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-24 6:55 ` Juha Saarinen
2001-03-27 8:31 ` Roger Gammans
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-03-21 23:41 Leif Sawyer
2001-03-22 0:32 ` Kevin Buhr
2001-03-22 11:08 Heusden, Folkert van
[not found] <4605B269DB001E4299157DD1569079D2809930@EXCHANGE03.plaza.ds.adp.com>
2001-03-22 16:29 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-22 18:32 ` Christian Bodmer
2001-03-23 15:08 ` Horst von Brand
2001-03-24 7:48 ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-24 10:21 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-24 18:19 ` Doug Ledford
2001-03-24 22:47 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-24 23:35 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 18:35 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-26 4:40 ` Horst von Brand
2001-03-26 8:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-26 10:01 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-26 14:48 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-25 19:07 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-24 20:04 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24 20:59 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24 22:11 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-24 23:36 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 14:30 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 14:13 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-24 12:42 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24 15:06 ` Mike Galbraith
2001-03-25 14:10 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-22 23:35 Mikael Pettersson
2001-03-22 23:43 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-27 7:58 ` Helge Hafting
2001-03-23 0:09 Mikael Pettersson
2001-03-23 0:27 ` Andrew Morton
2001-03-23 12:29 ` Mikael Pettersson
2001-03-23 16:24 ` Horst von Brand
2001-03-23 16:49 ` Guest section DW
2001-03-23 17:04 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 9:28 Heusden, Folkert van
2001-03-23 9:48 Only 10 MB/sec with via 82c686b - FIXED Alan Cox
2001-03-23 17:00 ` [PATCH] Prevent OOM from killing init SodaPop
2001-03-23 18:42 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 20:25 ` SodaPop
2001-03-23 20:33 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 19:19 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-23 18:29 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-23 18:38 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-24 0:46 ` Tim Wright
2001-03-24 16:48 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-03-25 16:12 ` Szabolcs Szakacsits
2001-03-25 16:39 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-23 18:43 ` nick
2001-03-23 19:01 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-23 19:23 ` nick
2001-03-23 22:12 ` Alan Cox
2001-03-23 23:23 ` Stephen E. Clark
2001-03-24 10:40 ` Gérard Roudier
2001-03-23 21:14 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-25 14:56 ` Marco Colombo
2001-03-23 19:33 Stephen Satchell
2001-03-23 23:15 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-23 23:17 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-24 0:13 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24 6:58 ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-24 12:38 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24 13:12 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24 1:59 ` Paul Jakma
2001-03-24 1:11 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-24 1:38 Jonathan Morton
2001-03-24 2:30 Andreas Franck
2001-03-24 10:18 Andries.Brouwer
2001-03-24 23:41 Benoit Garnier
2001-03-25 5:45 ` Stephen Satchell
2001-03-25 6:58 ` Stephen Clouse
2001-03-25 14:37 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-03-25 14:32 ` Martin Dalecki
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[not found] ` <l03130315b6e242006a4b@[192.168.239.101]>
2001-03-25 15:47 ` Jonathan Morton
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