2.4.3+ sound distortion

2.4.3+ sound distortion

[Victor Julien]

Hi,

I've never posted here before, so if i do anything wrong, just let me know.

I have a problem with kernels higher than 2.4.2, the sound distorts when 
playing a song with xmms while the seti@home client runs. 2.4.2 did not have 
this problem. I tried 2.4.3, 2.4.4-pre5 and 2.4.3-ac11. They al showed the 
same problem.

This is my hardware:
AMD Duron 600@800 (6x133)
MSI K7T Turbo-R
320MB PC133
ASUS v6800 Geforce 1 DDR
Creative PCI128

victor@victor:~$ gcc -v
Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-linux/2.95.3/specs
gcc version 2.95.3 20010219 (prerelease)

victor@victor:~$ cat /proc/cpuinfo 
processor       : 0
vendor_id       : AuthenticAMD
cpu family      : 6
model           : 3
model name      : AMD Duron(tm) Processor
stepping        : 0
cpu MHz         : 796.830
cache size      : 64 KB
fdiv_bug        : no
hlt_bug         : no
f00f_bug        : no
coma_bug        : no
fpu             : yes
fpu_exception   : yes
cpuid level     : 1
wp              : yes
flags           : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 sep mtrr pge mca cmov 
pat pse36 mmx fxsr syscall mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow
bogomips        : 1589.24

victor@victor:~$ cat /proc/pci     
PCI devices found:
  Bus  0, device   0, function  0:
    Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133] (rev 3).
      Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xc0000000 [0xcfffffff].
  Bus  0, device   1, function  0:
    PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133 AGP] (rev 0).
      Master Capable.  No bursts.  Min Gnt=12.
  Bus  0, device   7, function  0:
    ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super South] (rev 64).
  Bus  0, device   7, function  1:
    IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 6).
      Master Capable.  Latency=32.  
      I/O at 0xc000 [0xc00f].
  Bus  0, device   7, function  4:
    Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super ACPI] (rev 64).
  Bus  0, device  10, function  0:
    Ethernet controller: Winbond Electronics Corp W89C940 (rev 11).
      IRQ 10.
      I/O at 0xcc00 [0xcc1f].
  Bus  0, device  13, function  0:
    Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 6).
      IRQ 11.
      Master Capable.  Latency=32.  Min Gnt=12.Max Lat=128.
      I/O at 0xd000 [0xd03f].
  Bus  0, device  15, function  0:
    RAID bus controller: Promise Technology, Inc. 20265 (rev 2).
      IRQ 11.
      Master Capable.  Latency=32.  
      I/O at 0xd400 [0xd407].
      I/O at 0xd800 [0xd803].
      I/O at 0xdc00 [0xdc07].
      I/O at 0xe000 [0xe003].
      I/O at 0xe400 [0xe43f].
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xdb000000 [0xdb01ffff].
  Bus  1, device   0, function  0:
    VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 256 DDR (rev 16).
      IRQ 9.
      Master Capable.  Latency=248.  Min Gnt=5.Max Lat=1.
      Non-prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xd8000000 [0xd8ffffff].
      Prefetchable 32 bit memory at 0xd0000000 [0xd7ffffff].

If i need to suply more information please let me know. If you respond please 
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Victor Julien

Re: 2.4.3+ sound distortion

[Nigel Gamble]

On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Victor Julien wrote:
> I have a problem with kernels higher than 2.4.2, the sound distorts when 
> playing a song with xmms while the seti@home client runs. 2.4.2 did not have 
> this problem. I tried 2.4.3, 2.4.4-pre5 and 2.4.3-ac11. They al showed the 
> same problem.

Try running xmms as root with the "Use realtime priority when available"
option checked.  If the distortion is because xmms isn't getting enough
CPU time, then running it at a realtime priority will fix it.

Nigel Gamble                                    nigel@nrg.org
Mountain View, CA, USA.                         http://www.nrg.org/

MontaVista Software                             nigel@mvista.com

Re: 2.4.3+ sound distortion

[Victor Julien]

That did not help. The distortion is no stuttering, but noise in the music. 
It's not specific to xmms, freeamp and xine also have the noise. The noise 
reminds me of years ago when my father used a electric shaver witch gave 
noise in the sound of my radio. Maybe that can give you an idea about the 
sort of noise.

The changelog of 2.4.3 said that there were via-chipset-fixes undone, could 
this be a problem of my chipset?

Victor Julien


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On Saturday 21 April 2001 21:05, you wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Apr 2001, Victor Julien wrote:
> > I have a problem with kernels higher than 2.4.2, the sound distorts when
> > playing a song with xmms while the seti@home client runs. 2.4.2 did not
> > have this problem. I tried 2.4.3, 2.4.4-pre5 and 2.4.3-ac11. They al
> > showed the same problem.
>
> Try running xmms as root with the "Use realtime priority when available"
> option checked.  If the distortion is because xmms isn't getting enough
> CPU time, then running it at a realtime priority will fix it.
>
> Nigel Gamble                                    nigel@nrg.org
> Mountain View, CA, USA.                         http://www.nrg.org/
>
> MontaVista Software                             nigel@mvista.com

Re: 2.4.3+ sound distortion

[Erik Mouw]

On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 09:40:30PM +0200, Victor Julien wrote:
> That did not help. The distortion is no stuttering, but noise in the music. 
> It's not specific to xmms, freeamp and xine also have the noise. The noise 
> reminds me of years ago when my father used a electric shaver witch gave 
> noise in the sound of my radio. Maybe that can give you an idea about the 
> sort of noise.
> 
> The changelog of 2.4.3 said that there were via-chipset-fixes undone, could 
> this be a problem of my chipset?

Possible. Another thing to check is if you started using an APM
monitoring program, like the GNOME battery_applet which reads /proc/apm
every couple of seconds. With every read of /proc/apm the APM driver
calls the APM BIOS, which on some systems runs quite long with
interrupts disabled. On my laptop this results in exactly the noise you
described.


Erik

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Re: 2.4.3+ sound distortion

[Victor Julien]

I don't use APM monitors. The noise is more frequent than once every few 
seconds. I've tried to reproduce the noise using cpu-intensive programs other 
than seti@home and i failed. I tried compiling a kernel together with heavy 
calculations in The Gimp, but it didn't produce the noise. Could it be a 
problem only triggerd by seti? Is there something special about seti?


Victor Julien


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> On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 09:40:30PM +0200, Victor Julien wrote:
> > That did not help. The distortion is no stuttering, but noise in the
> > music. It's not specific to xmms, freeamp and xine also have the noise.
> > The noise reminds me of years ago when my father used a electric shaver
> > witch gave noise in the sound of my radio. Maybe that can give you an
> > idea about the sort of noise.
> >
> > The changelog of 2.4.3 said that there were via-chipset-fixes undone,
> > could this be a problem of my chipset?
>
> Possible. Another thing to check is if you started using an APM
> monitoring program, like the GNOME battery_applet which reads /proc/apm
> every couple of seconds. With every read of /proc/apm the APM driver
> calls the APM BIOS, which on some systems runs quite long with
> interrupts disabled. On my laptop this results in exactly the noise you
> described.
>
>
> Erik

Re: 2.4.3-pre3+ sound distortion

[Victor Julien]

I've done some further testing and i discoverd that the problem was 
introduced in 2.4.3-pre3. Pre1 en pre2 are fine. I've tried disabling the 
via-ide-driver, i386 instead of athlon as build architecture with no effect. 
I've tried disabling my network-card with no effect. Ik tried reproducing the 
problem in the console using setiathome and mpg123 and i was succesfull.

So, i guess the problem is in 2.4.3-pre3 and later. I'm not a coder so there 
is not much i can do i think. If you need any information please let me know.

Victor Julien



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Re: 2.4.3+ sound distortion

[Alan Cox]

> I have a problem with kernels higher than 2.4.2, the sound distorts when 
> playing a song with xmms while the seti@home client runs. 2.4.2 did not have 
> this problem. I tried 2.4.3, 2.4.4-pre5 and 2.4.3-ac11. They al showed the 
> same problem.

The 2.4.3->2.4.3-ac kernels include workarounds for the VIA chipset corruption
reports. It is possible these have an impact, paticularly if the programs are
making heavy use of X11.

Can you describe the 'distortion' better - clicking, bits repeated ?

Re: 2.4.3+ sound distortion

[Victor Julien]

On Sunday 22 April 2001 01:15, you wrote:
> > I have a problem with kernels higher than 2.4.2, the sound distorts when
> > playing a song with xmms while the seti@home client runs. 2.4.2 did not
> > have this problem. I tried 2.4.3, 2.4.4-pre5 and 2.4.3-ac11. They al
> > showed the same problem.
>
> The 2.4.3->2.4.3-ac kernels include workarounds for the VIA chipset
> corruption reports. It is possible these have an impact, paticularly if the
> programs are making heavy use of X11.
>
> Can you describe the 'distortion' better - clicking, bits repeated ?

The distortion is noise in the music. The music does not stutter or stop. 
It's a high-toned noise in the music. It's not there every second, but on 
average 30 seconds in every minute. It seems to be dependand on the kind of 
calcultions seti is making.

The noise seems to have nothing to do with X11, because in console mode 
running the seti client and mpg123, results in exactly the same noiselevel as 
in X11.

I've tried 2.4.3-pre{3,4,6}, 2.4.3, 2.4.4-pre5 and 2.4.3-ac11, they al have 
the problem. Only 2.4.3-pre{1,2} did not. 2.4.2 has also no problems.


Victor Julien



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Re: 2.4.3+ sound distortion

[Marcel J.E. Mol]

On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 12:15:13AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > I have a problem with kernels higher than 2.4.2, the sound distorts when 
> > playing a song with xmms while the seti@home client runs. 2.4.2 did not have 
> > this problem. I tried 2.4.3, 2.4.4-pre5 and 2.4.3-ac11. They al showed the 
> > same problem.
> 
> The 2.4.3->2.4.3-ac kernels include workarounds for the VIA chipset corruption
> reports. It is possible these have an impact, paticularly if the programs are
> making heavy use of X11.

I noticed that X11 became teribly slow on screen updates using 2.4.3-ac11 on
an asus a7v133 (via686b).
Before that I ran an a7v (via686a): using ac6 worked
fine with X. X on ac9 also works fine, at least I did not notice any slowdown.
Unfortunately cannot test ac11 on the a7v anymore...

I thought ac9 does include the via workarounds.  Is there a significant
diff between ac9 and ac11, or between via686a and 686b to cause this?

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Re: 2.4.3+ sound distortion

[Alan Cox]

> I noticed that X11 became teribly slow on screen updates using 2.4.3-ac11 on
> an asus a7v133 (via686b).
> Before that I ran an a7v (via686a): using ac6 worked
> fine with X. X on ac9 also works fine, at least I did not notice any slowdown.
> Unfortunately cannot test ac11 on the a7v anymore...
> 
> I thought ac9 does include the via workarounds.  Is there a significant
> diff between ac9 and ac11, or between via686a and 686b to cause this?

We are still playing with the VIA fixups, but this may also be VM related. I'm
currently playing with several VM ideas, and potential fixes which might
impact overall performance.

Test 2.4.4pre6 that has the VIA fixes but does not have the VM changes

Re: 2.4.3+ sound distortion

[Mike Castle]

On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 06:04:47PM +0200, Victor Julien wrote:
> I have a problem with kernels higher than 2.4.2, the sound distorts when 
> playing a song with xmms while the seti@home client runs. 2.4.2 did not have 

Would this be the same issue as describe in these threads:

http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0104.0/0233.html
http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0104.1/0231.html

That is, the change in how nice is recalculated.

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Re: 2.4.3+ sound distortion

[David]

  I have noticed a problem with sound lately.  I have a cs46xx card and 
it randomly gets distorted.  Normally I just reboot but on this last 
occurence I simply left it as it was.  The distortion sounds someone 
punched the speaker core, it's tinny and mangled.  Today it fixed itself 
out of the blue in the middle of playing a sound. All sound programs are 
equally affected.

It's only done this in the 2.4 series, I haven't had the desire to look 
into it.

David

Mike Castle wrote:

>On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 06:04:47PM +0200, Victor Julien wrote:
>
>>I have a problem with kernels higher than 2.4.2, the sound distorts when 
>>playing a song with xmms while the seti@home client runs. 2.4.2 did not have 
>>
>
>Would this be the same issue as describe in these threads:
>
>http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0104.0/0233.html
>http://www.uwsg.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0104.1/0231.html
>
>That is, the change in how nice is recalculated.
>
>mrc
>