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From: "Rok Papež" <rok.papez@kiss.uni-lj.si>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:36:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <01062021360901.02282@strader.home> (raw)

Hi!

It's hard not to reply to this kind of message but there is so much
"anti-thread hype" here that someone obviously has to stand up to it.
This reply isn't aimed just at Larry but at all the anti-thread-rant
people with 0 threads == 0 problems attitude.

On Tuesday 19 June 2001 18:09, Larry McVoy wrote:
>     "If you think you need threads then your processes are too fat"
>     ``Think of it this way: threads are like salt, not like pasta. You
>     like salt, I like salt, we all like salt. But we eat more pasta.''

Here are more from the same basket you obviously got the first quote from:

------------------------------------
Virtual memory is only for unskilled programmers who don't know how to use
overlays.
------------------------------------
Protected memory is a constant 10% CPU hog needed only by undisciplined
programmers who can't keep their memory writes in their own process space.
------------------------------------

> Threads are a really bad idea.

I could *say* the same about Alans co-routines and Async IO :-). But it
would be foolish of me to criticize something I haven't used.

There is more than one way how to skin a dinosaur. And threads are one
way of doing it. You don't like it ? FINE. But don't go bashing it.

Probably most people bash threads becouse of a silly way POSIX designed
(designed is an overstatement) their pthread API and becouse UNIX was
around before threads thus probably making every UNIX thread support a
hacked and not a designed tool.
Other OSes have certainly proven threads to be nice and usable.

And here is another one for you quotes page:
------------------------------------
If you can't stick your head out of your own backyard please... don't
go and crtiticize the world... :-)
------------------------------------

-- 
best regards,
Rok Papež.

             reply	other threads:[~2001-06-20 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-20 19:36 Rok Papež [this message]
2001-06-20 20:16 ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Cort Dougan
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-06-30  9:16 Jan Hudec
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.21.0106211931180.209-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2001-06-22  7:33 ` Andi Kleen
2001-06-22  5:19 Chester Lott
2001-06-19 19:48 Joerg Pommnitz
2001-06-19 19:59 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-19 15:44 accounting for threads ognen
2001-06-19 15:58 ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 16:02   ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 16:12     ` Padraig Brady
2001-06-19 19:10     ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:18       ` Alan Cox
2001-06-19 19:32         ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:43         ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:22         ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 15:33           ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 16:39             ` george anzinger
2001-06-20 18:35               ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21  4:11                 ` Rusty Russell
2001-06-21 23:37                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21 23:55                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-22 14:53                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-20 16:40             ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 20:09             ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:05         ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 14:35       ` Mike Porter
2001-06-20 11:56         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 16:02   ` Ben Pfaff
2001-06-19 16:09   ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 16:26     ` Matthew Kirkwood
2001-06-19 16:52       ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 18:18         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 23:31         ` Timur Tabi
2001-06-20 11:52           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:20             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-20 18:12               ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 23:28                 ` Dan Podeanu
2001-06-21  0:42                 ` D. Stimits
2001-06-20 20:18                   ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  1:57                     ` D. Stimits
2001-06-21 14:02                 ` Jesse Pollard
2001-06-21 14:18                   ` Rob Landley
2001-06-22 14:46             ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-06-22 13:29               ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 21:41                 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 16:55                   ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 22:30                     ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 18:21                       ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25 13:48                         ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 22:39                       ` Steven Walter
2001-06-24 23:50                       ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-24 20:24                         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25  0:05                         ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-25  0:32                           ` Gerhard Mack
2001-06-25  0:59                             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-25  2:18                       ` Galen Hancock
2001-06-20 14:59           ` Matthias Urlichs
2001-06-20 19:14         ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-19 17:10     ` Matti Aarnio
2001-06-19 17:20     ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 17:37       ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 17:45         ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 18:08           ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 19:38             ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 19:56               ` Michael Meissner
2001-06-19 17:53         ` Steve Underwood
2001-06-19 19:01           ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20  2:57             ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-20  3:04               ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20  3:38                 ` John R Lenton
2001-06-20 10:21                 ` john slee
2001-06-20 18:08                   ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 16:21                 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20  9:14               ` Alan Cox
2001-06-22  2:36                 ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-19 17:36     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 17:41       ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 20:57       ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 21:11         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 21:15           ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 23:56             ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-20  0:19               ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20  0:28                 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20  1:30                   ` Ben Greear
2001-06-20  2:14                     ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20  9:00                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20  0:04         ` Chris Ricker
2001-06-20  0:59           ` Robert Love

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