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From: Jesse Pollard <jesse@cats-chateau.net>
To: Kip Macy <kmacy@netapp.com>, Paul Jakma <paul@clubi.ie>
Cc: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@idb.hist.no>,
	"C. Slater" <cslater@wcnet.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Switching Kernels without Rebooting?
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:31:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <01071119453600.23085@tabby> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10107111545130.14769-100000@clifton-fe.eng.netapp.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.10.10107111545130.14769-100000@clifton-fe.eng.netapp.com>

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, Kip Macy wrote:
>In the future when Linux is more heavily used at the enterprise level
>there will likely be upgrade/revert modules to allow such a transition to
>take place.

I use some of the largest UNIX supercomputers ever built (IBM SP, Cray T3E,
SV1, YMP, XMP, J90, SGI Origin). None of them can start of a new kernel from an
earlier version. There are too many things that will fail:

	Any network activity
	Active disk I/O
	Locked memory
	File modification
	File structures
	Disk structures (yes they change...)
	Clock Synchronization (SMP and cluster)
	Shared memory (SMP and cluster)
	semaphores (SMP and cluster)
	login sessions
	device status
	shared disks and distributed file systems (cluster)
	pipes

Before you even try switching kernels, first implement a process
checkpoint/restart. The process must be resumed after a boot using the same
kernel, with all I/O resumed. Now get it accepted into the kernel.

Anything else is just another name for "reboot using new kernel".
	

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Jesse I Pollard, II
Email: jesse@cats-chateau.net

Any opinions expressed are solely my own.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-07-12  0:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <NOEJJDACGOHCKNCOGFOMOEKECGAA.davids@webmaster.com>
2001-07-10 20:43 ` Switching Kernels without Rebooting? C. Slater
2001-07-11  3:50   ` FORT David
2001-07-11  9:10   ` Helge Hafting
2001-07-11 15:41     ` C. Slater
2001-07-11 18:11       ` Switching Kernels without Rebooting? [MOSIX] Carlos O'Donell Jr.
2001-07-12 10:16       ` Switching Kernels without Rebooting? Helge Hafting
2001-07-11 22:12     ` Paul Jakma
2001-07-11 22:14       ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-11 22:36         ` C. Slater
2001-07-11 23:44           ` Andreas Dilger
2001-07-12  1:17             ` C. Slater
2001-07-12 15:39               ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-12 16:23                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-07-12 17:37                   ` Mike Borrelli
2001-07-12 18:05                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-13 10:07                     ` Pau Aliagas
2001-07-12 18:48                   ` Chris Friesen
2001-07-12 10:12             ` Ralf Baechle
2001-07-12 15:32           ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-11 22:36         ` David Schwartz
2001-07-12  7:23         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-07-12 10:05           ` Helge Hafting
2001-07-13  6:50             ` Kai Henningsen
2001-07-12 17:58           ` Hua Zhong
2001-07-12 23:24           ` swsusp again [was Re: Switching Kernels without Rebooting?] Pavel Machek
2001-07-13 21:08             ` Alan Cox
2001-07-11 22:46       ` Switching Kernels without Rebooting? Kip Macy
2001-07-11 23:02         ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-12  0:31         ` Jesse Pollard [this message]
2001-07-12  1:10           ` Hua Zhong
2001-07-11 23:36       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-07-12  7:23       ` Ville Herva
2001-07-13  1:11 tas
2001-07-13  3:45 ` Ian Stirling
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-07-12 15:32 Jesse Pollard
2001-07-12 12:23 Jesse Pollard
2001-07-12 14:55 ` Ralf Baechle
2001-07-12  4:48 Frank Davis
2001-07-12  5:08 ` John Alvord
2001-07-13  9:10   ` Chuck Hemker
2001-07-12  1:03 Torrey Hoffman
2001-07-12  1:24 ` C. Slater
2001-07-12 10:07   ` Jesse Pollard
2001-07-12 12:11     ` Ian Stirling
2001-07-12 12:54       ` Jesse Pollard
2001-07-12 14:15         ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-07-12 23:17   ` Pavel Machek
2001-07-12 20:47 ` Wilfried Weissmann
     [not found] <994895240.21189@whiskey.enposte.net>
2001-07-12  0:10 ` Stuart Lynne
2001-07-11  9:52 David Balazic
2001-07-11 10:08 ` Laramie Leavitt
2001-07-11 19:12   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-07-11 15:19 ` C. Slater
2001-07-10 18:42 C. Slater
2001-07-10 18:50 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-10 21:11 ` Jesper Juhl

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