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From: Jesse Pollard <jesse@cats-chateau.net>
To: "C. Slater" <cslater@wcnet.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Switching Kernels without Rebooting?
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:07:09 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <01071205133300.23879@tabby> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D52B19A7284D32459CF20D579C4B0C0211C92A@mail0.myrio.com> <001501c10a71$68c66820$0200000a@laptop>
In-Reply-To: <001501c10a71$68c66820$0200000a@laptop>

On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, C. Slater wrote:
>Would anyone else like to point out some other task somewhat related 
>and have me do it? :-)
>
>> > Before you even try switching kernels, first implement a process
>> > checkpoint/restart. The process must be resumed after a boot
>> > using the same
>> > kernel, with all I/O resumed. Now get it accepted into the kernel.
>> 
>> Hear, hear!  That would be a useful feature, maybe not network servers, 
>> but for pure number crunching apps it would save people having to write 
>> all the state saving and recovery that is needed now for long term 
>> computations.
>
>Get a computer with hibernation support. That's just about what it is.

Bzzzt wrong anser. Hibernation stops the entire kernel. checkpoint restart
stops processes, saves the entire state of the process. hibernation
is just halt the processor.

>> 
>> For bonus points, make it work for clusters to synchronously save and
>> restore state for the apps running on all the nodes at once...
>
>Bash script.

doesn't work - remember once the kernel is suspended it can't tell
another system that is has done so.

A full checkpoint/restart can potentially allow a process to migrate
from one node to another. It also allows other processing to be done
while the process is checkpointed:

	a. how do you reconstruct a software raid 5 while the system
	   is "suspended"
	b. how do you migrate to a different platform if the system is
	   suspended

Answer - you can't.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jesse I Pollard, II
Email: jesse@cats-chateau.net

Any opinions expressed are solely my own.

  reply	other threads:[~2001-07-12 10:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-07-12  1:03 Switching Kernels without Rebooting? Torrey Hoffman
2001-07-12  1:24 ` C. Slater
2001-07-12 10:07   ` Jesse Pollard [this message]
2001-07-12 12:11     ` Ian Stirling
2001-07-12 12:54       ` Jesse Pollard
2001-07-12 14:15         ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-07-12 23:21           ` swsusp [was Re: Switching Kernels without Rebooting?] Pavel Machek
2001-07-12 23:17   ` Switching Kernels without Rebooting? Pavel Machek
2001-07-12 20:47 ` Wilfried Weissmann
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-07-13  1:11 tas
2001-07-13  3:45 ` Ian Stirling
2001-07-12 15:32 Jesse Pollard
2001-07-12 12:23 Jesse Pollard
2001-07-12 14:55 ` Ralf Baechle
2001-07-12  4:48 Frank Davis
2001-07-12  5:08 ` John Alvord
2001-07-13  9:10   ` Chuck Hemker
     [not found] <994895240.21189@whiskey.enposte.net>
2001-07-12  0:10 ` Stuart Lynne
2001-07-11  9:52 David Balazic
2001-07-11 10:08 ` Laramie Leavitt
2001-07-11 19:12   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-07-11 15:19 ` C. Slater
     [not found] <NOEJJDACGOHCKNCOGFOMOEKECGAA.davids@webmaster.com>
2001-07-10 20:43 ` C. Slater
2001-07-11  3:50   ` FORT David
2001-07-11  9:10   ` Helge Hafting
2001-07-11 15:41     ` C. Slater
2001-07-12 10:16       ` Helge Hafting
2001-07-11 22:12     ` Paul Jakma
2001-07-11 22:14       ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-11 22:36         ` C. Slater
2001-07-11 23:44           ` Andreas Dilger
2001-07-12  1:17             ` C. Slater
2001-07-12 15:39               ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-12 16:23                 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-07-12 17:37                   ` Mike Borrelli
2001-07-12 18:05                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-13 10:07                     ` Pau Aliagas
2001-07-12 18:48                   ` Chris Friesen
2001-07-12 10:12             ` Ralf Baechle
2001-07-12 15:32           ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-11 22:36         ` David Schwartz
2001-07-12  7:23         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-07-12 10:05           ` Helge Hafting
2001-07-13  6:50             ` Kai Henningsen
2001-07-12 17:58           ` Hua Zhong
2001-07-11 22:46       ` Kip Macy
2001-07-11 23:02         ` Rik van Riel
2001-07-12  0:31         ` Jesse Pollard
2001-07-12  1:10           ` Hua Zhong
2001-07-11 23:36       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-07-12  7:23       ` Ville Herva
2001-07-10 18:42 C. Slater
2001-07-10 18:50 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-07-10 21:11 ` Jesper Juhl

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