From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>, Mike Black <mblack@csihq.com>
Cc: David Ford <david@blue-labs.org>,
"Jeffrey W. Baker" <jwbaker@acm.org>,
"Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Ongoing 2.4 VM suckage
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2001 03:06:46 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0108040306470L.01827@starship> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0108031907220.11893-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0108031907220.11893-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>
On Saturday 04 August 2001 00:08, Rik van Riel wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Aug 2001, Mike Black wrote:
> > Couldn't kswapd just gracefully back-off when it doesn't make any
> > progress? In my case (with ext3/raid5 and a tiobench test) kswapd
> > NEVER actually swaps anything out. It just chews CPU time.
> >
> > So...if kswapd just said "didn't make any progress...*2 last sleep" so
> > it would degrade itself.
>
> It wouldn't just degrade itself.
>
> It would also prevent other programs in the system
> from allocating memory, effectively halting anybody
> wanting to allocate memory.
It actually doesn't, Andrew Morton noticed this and I verified it for
myself. Shutting down kswapd just degrades throughput, it doesn't stop
the system. The reason for this is that alloc_pages calls
try_to_free_pages when the free lists run out and follows up by
reclaiming directly from inactive_clean.
Performance drops without kswapd because the system isn't anticipating
demand any more, but always procrastinating until memory actually runs
out then waiting on writeouts.
--
Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-08-04 1:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-08-02 18:29 Ongoing 2.4 VM suckage Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-08-02 18:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-02 19:10 ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-08-02 19:54 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-02 20:10 ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-08-02 20:16 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-02 20:28 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-03 17:59 ` David Ford
2001-08-03 20:53 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-03 21:59 ` Mike Black
2001-08-03 22:08 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-04 1:06 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2001-08-03 23:58 ` [PATCH] Disable kswapd through proc (was Ongoing 2.4 VM suckage) Daniel Phillips
2001-08-04 7:21 ` Ongoing 2.4 VM suckage Stephen Satchell
2001-08-06 8:55 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-06 16:37 ` Jeremy Linton
2001-08-07 7:51 ` David Weinehall
2001-08-03 22:47 ` David Ford
2001-08-02 21:01 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-02 21:11 ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-08-02 21:44 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-08-02 21:52 ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-08-02 21:56 ` Miles Lane
2001-08-02 22:05 ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-08-02 22:07 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-02 22:17 ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-08-02 22:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-02 22:32 ` Jeffrey W. Baker
2001-08-02 22:56 ` BERECZ Szabolcs
2001-08-03 13:07 ` jlnance
2001-08-03 13:31 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-06 13:22 ` Luigi Genoni
2001-08-06 13:29 ` David S. Miller
2001-08-02 23:46 ` Ongoing 2.4 VM suckage pagemap_lru_lock Jeremy Linton
2001-08-02 22:15 ` Ongoing 2.4 VM suckage Pavel Zaitsev
2001-08-02 22:20 ` Jakob Østergaard
2001-08-03 12:04 ` Anders Peter Fugmann
2001-08-03 16:03 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-03 16:24 ` Anders Peter Fugmann
2001-08-03 21:24 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-03 22:00 ` Anders Peter Fugmann
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