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From: "Hua Zhong" <hzhong@cisco.com>
To: "Rik van Riel" <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: "Daniel Phillips" <phillips@bonn-fries.net>,
	"Andreas Dilger" <adilger@turbolabs.com>,
	"Andrea Arcangeli" <andrea@suse.de>,
	"Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: linux-2.4.10-pre5
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:39:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <014801c13a8c$7e98f370$2a3147ab@cisco.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0109102151581.30234-100000@imladris.rielhome.conectiva>

It's not about the absolute size of meta data..it's about having limited
cache size.  Whatever you read ahead, as long as it doesn't do good it
wastes space and pushes (more) useful data out of the cache, and thus what
you gain in the readahead will be outweighted by further re-reading.

readahead is good, but doing it too aggressively is not.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rik van Riel" <riel@conectiva.com.br>
To: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: "Daniel Phillips" <phillips@bonn-fries.net>; "Andreas Dilger"
<adilger@turbolabs.com>; "Andrea Arcangeli" <andrea@suse.de>; "Kernel
Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: linux-2.4.10-pre5


> On Mon, 10 Sep 2001, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > > On September 11, 2001 12:39 am, Rik van Riel wrote:
>
> > > > This suggests we may want to do agressive readahead on the
> > > > inode blocks.
>
> > So it' snot just about preloading. It's also about knowing about access
> > patterns beforehand - something that the kernel really cannot do.
> >
> > Pre-loading your cache always depends on some limited portion of
> > prescience.
>
> OTOH, agressively pre-loading metadata should be ok in a lot
> of cases, because metadata is very small, but wastes about
> half of our disk time because of the seeks ...
>
> regards,
>
> Rik
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  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-11  6:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-08  4:18 linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-08  6:32 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5: drivers/net/wan compile fixes Eyal Lebedinsky
2001-09-08  6:36 ` 2.4.9-ac10 (not 2.4.10-pre5!) wan fixes Eyal Lebedinsky
2001-09-08  8:32 ` 2.4.10-pre5 compile error George Bonser
2001-09-08 17:19 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-08 17:30   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-08 17:57     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-08 18:01       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09  1:09         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09  1:20           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09  1:38             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09  1:53               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09  2:22                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09  2:31                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09  3:30                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09  3:58                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09  4:16                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09  4:28                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 12:09                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Rik van Riel
2001-09-09 14:53                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 18:17                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 20:18                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 H. Peter Anvin
2001-09-10  0:39                                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Simon Kirby
2001-09-10  8:30                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Kai Henningsen
2001-09-11  5:29                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Peter Samuelson
2001-09-11 11:29                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Kai Henningsen
2001-09-10 21:22                                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-09-09 14:47                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 16:24                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 17:29                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-09 23:56                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-09  4:29                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andreas Dilger
2001-09-09  4:54                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09  6:17                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andreas Dilger
2001-09-09 17:31                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 19:19                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-09 23:24                                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-09 23:54                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alan Cox
2001-09-10  0:04                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10  0:23                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10  0:23                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10  0:38                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10  1:04                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-10  1:45                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10  1:55                                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-10  2:02                                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10  2:06                                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-10  2:15                                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10  2:22                                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10  2:20                                                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10  2:40                                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10  3:02                                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10  3:36                                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 19:06                                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10  2:03                                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10  2:41                                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Chris Mason
2001-09-10 21:18                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 21:23                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-10 21:54                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 22:39                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-10 23:13                                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 23:25                                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-10 22:15                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10 22:26                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-10 22:39                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Rik van Riel
2001-09-10 23:14                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 23:16                                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11  0:53                                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Rik van Riel
2001-09-11  6:39                                                 ` Hua Zhong [this message]
2001-09-11 15:12                                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11 15:44                                                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 15:48                                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11 16:05                                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-11 16:07                                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 16:07                                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-09-11 16:13                                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Martin Dalecki
2001-09-11 17:17                                                       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 10:02                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 20:07                                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Rik van Riel
2001-09-10 23:20                                         ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11  0:20                                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11  1:16                                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11  2:27                                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11  7:45                                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Helge Hafting
2001-09-11 10:27                                                 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-11 15:39                                                   ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Linus Torvalds
2001-09-11 16:52                                                     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-09 19:51                               ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Daniel Phillips
2001-09-09  9:05                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Christoph Hellwig
2001-09-09 13:14                           ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Anton Altaparmakov
2001-09-09 14:31                             ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-08 21:15     ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andreas Dilger
2001-09-09  0:59       ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-08 22:01 ` linux-2.4.10-pre5 Thiago Vinhas de Moraes

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