HELP: Linux replacement for "DOS diagnostic" station

HELP: Linux replacement for "DOS diagnostic" station

[Timothy Miller]

Like many companies that do hardware development (PCI cards, etc.), when 
we here first produce a board, the first things we do is put it into a 
DOS machine and run our diagnostic tools on it.  We're running the DOS 
version that came with Windows 3.11, and we use the Watcom C compiler 
that lets us run our software in protected mode, so we have access to 
32-bit address space.

Some advantages of this approach:
- Single-tasking environment, so we can do polling on devices in real-time
- No memory protection, so we can access all device memory directly
- No instruction set restrictions, so we can execute I/O instructions 
directly
- Access to PCI config space (via I/O instructions)
- The computer boots up in seconds

Disadvantages include:
- No modern compiler
- No debugging tools
- DOS command shell is a lousy working environment
- Dwindling support for DOS NIC drivers from motherboard manufacturers


We are doing some forward-looking thinking about how we're going to 
replace this environment in the not-to-distant future.  We are looking 
at Linux as the environment we want to use.  Some of the features we're 
thinking of include:

- Kernel support for basically nothing but Ethernet, text-mode console, 
and USB (ie. IDE and floppy not necessarily supported).
- Boot from USB flash dongle.
- Hand-code init so that services are loaded in parallel
- Fill the rest of the USB dongle with development tools
- Put the rest of the tools on NFS.


There are a number of issues that we have to cover (such as what 
filesystem to use on the flash and how to make the flash bootable), but 
the biggest concern is that we absolutely MUST have un restricted access 
to physical memory, I/O space, and config space from user-space programs.

So, first of all, we need to make /dev/mem accessible to all users. 
Secondly, we need some mechanism to access I/O and config space, but it 
can be indirect through ioctl.

Is there a driver for Linux which supports I/O and config space access 
for user-space programs in a completely generic way?

Another occurrence is that sometimes, PCI config space on a new device 
is 'broken' and therefore confuses the OS trying to map it.  We'll need 
to be able to override the OS in a way that doesn't interfere with other 
devices.  That is, we need to (a) indicate which device NOT to map, (b) 
query which memory areas have been allocated to other devices, and (c) 
program in our own desired physical addresses into config space.

Does anyone have suggestions?

Thanks!

Re: HELP: Linux replacement for "DOS diagnostic" station

[H. Peter Anvin]

Followup to:  <404CFF03.1090601@techsource.com>
By author:    Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
> 
> So, first of all, we need to make /dev/mem accessible to all users. 
> Secondly, we need some mechanism to access I/O and config space, but it 
> can be indirect through ioctl.
> 
> Is there a driver for Linux which supports I/O and config space access 
> for user-space programs in a completely generic way?
> 

Just use iopl(3) and do the accesses directly from userspace, or use
/dev/port.

	-hpa

Re: HELP: Linux replacement for "DOS diagnostic" station

[Michael Frank]

Here are some general suggestions on how to "begin" migrating DOS to
linux using an incremental approach.

My requirements were similar albeit for embedded apps, was/am using DOS
based  development tools.

First get _your_ DOS version running on linux using DOSEMU. DOSEMU can
run _any_ version of DOS. I use it with PCDOS 6.3.

To control DOS from linux (bat->sh), consider a remote shell for dos.

As to PCI and your old tools, you could boot linux with pci=off, so it
won't touch PCI, then map PCI IO into DOSEMU.

Next, suggest tools to port first to linux where upgrade is suggested.

You could modify the PCI driver to exclude device id's but those in a list
- may be a nice patch for general use too :)

Regards
Michael

Re: HELP: Linux replacement for "DOS diagnostic" station

[Jesse Pollard]

On Monday 08 March 2004 17:17, Timothy Miller wrote:
> Like many companies that do hardware development (PCI cards, etc.), when
> we here first produce a board, the first things we do is put it into a
> DOS machine and run our diagnostic tools on it.  We're running the DOS
> version that came with Windows 3.11, and we use the Watcom C compiler
> that lets us run our software in protected mode, so we have access to
> 32-bit address space.
>
> Some advantages of this approach:
> - Single-tasking environment, so we can do polling on devices in real-time
> - No memory protection, so we can access all device memory directly
> - No instruction set restrictions, so we can execute I/O instructions
> directly
> - Access to PCI config space (via I/O instructions)
> - The computer boots up in seconds
>
> Disadvantages include:
> - No modern compiler
> - No debugging tools
> - DOS command shell is a lousy working environment
> - Dwindling support for DOS NIC drivers from motherboard manufacturers
>
>
> We are doing some forward-looking thinking about how we're going to
> replace this environment in the not-to-distant future.  We are looking
> at Linux as the environment we want to use.  Some of the features we're
> thinking of include:
>
> - Kernel support for basically nothing but Ethernet, text-mode console,
> and USB (ie. IDE and floppy not necessarily supported).
> - Boot from USB flash dongle.
> - Hand-code init so that services are loaded in parallel
> - Fill the rest of the USB dongle with development tools
> - Put the rest of the tools on NFS.
>
>
> There are a number of issues that we have to cover (such as what
> filesystem to use on the flash and how to make the flash bootable), but
> the biggest concern is that we absolutely MUST have un restricted access
> to physical memory, I/O space, and config space from user-space programs.
>
> So, first of all, we need to make /dev/mem accessible to all users.
> Secondly, we need some mechanism to access I/O and config space, but it
> can be indirect through ioctl.
>
> Is there a driver for Linux which supports I/O and config space access
> for user-space programs in a completely generic way?
>
> Another occurrence is that sometimes, PCI config space on a new device
> is 'broken' and therefore confuses the OS trying to map it.  We'll need
> to be able to override the OS in a way that doesn't interfere with other
> devices.  That is, we need to (a) indicate which device NOT to map, (b)
> query which memory areas have been allocated to other devices, and (c)
> program in our own desired physical addresses into config space.
>
> Does anyone have suggestions?
>
> Thanks!

Just a brief one:

I suggest using one of the embeded kernels. For your purpose it has the 
following advantages:
1. no MMU support - allows your applications to poke at ANYTHING.
2. ramdisk support - eliminates the kernel from interfereing with most PCI
tests you can do. (granted, you MIGHT want a system with two PCI busses, one
for the system to use -disk/keyboard/display/network and one for your target 
interface; but I think you can get away from this using an AGP display, the 
keyboard/mouse and ramdisk)
3. minimal system
4. development on another host
5. safty from inevitable crashes/bus hangs...