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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -4.30 X-Spam-Level: X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.30 / 50.00]; BAYES_HAM(-3.00)[100.00%]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.20)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FUZZY_RATELIMITED(0.00)[rspamd.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_SIGNED(0.00)[suse.de:s=susede2_rsa,suse.de:s=susede2_ed25519]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DBL_BLOCKED_OPENRESOLVER(0.00)[suse.de:mid,suse.com:url] X-Spam-Flag: NO Hi Am 23.04.26 um 23:02 schrieb David Airlie: [...] >> Faulty hardware (perhaps just a cheap pull down resistor on the VGA >> connection as Dave Airlie suggests) means that any such affected >> platform has a polling routine that causes significant issues on any >> timing sensitive applications. > We could write a patch to just say if we see 10 bogus EDID polls we > just give up and loudly say in the logs. I don't think we should do that. The fallout might just backfire as well. Best regards Thomas > > This might break some crash-cart plugins in some data centers though, > I don't think we have contracts in Matrox or the server vendors who > make the hw to say how they recommend finding this info. > > It might be in ACPI or dmidecodes. > > Dave. > > >> Right now, I am stuck in a situation which means that I have to fight to >> reach every customer who uses one of these platforms and confirm they >> either disable polling or ban the module so it won't even load. >> >> This is frustrating, as it is unlikely I'll reach everyone. >> >> I doubt that I'm the only one with users who are affected by mysterious >> performance or timing problems related to this. While its true that not >> *every* instance of the device is problematic (at least not now that we >> fixed the other issue with the udelay...), but many systems using the >> controller *are* negatively impacted even with the timing fix, as I have >> now seen... >> >> Unfortunately, I also have no better idea than a DMI quirk table to >> record known platforms that include the controller but don't have a >> physical VGA connection exposed. >> >> Thus, I'm wondering what else we can do? Using WQ_UNBOUND might help >> somewhat? I have no idea if its safe to sleep instead of spin while >> reading the i2c connections... As far as I can tell the non-atomic >> version has nothing that *strictly* prevents sleep.. but maybe i2c >> access has tighter timing requirements than what usleep_range can >> fulfill? I am not sure... >> >> I'd just really like to not have to worry about going to every single >> user and asking them to unload and ban a driver for these big server >> platforms... >> -- -- Thomas Zimmermann Graphics Driver Developer SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Frankenstr. 146, 90461 Nürnberg, Germany, www.suse.com GF: Jochen Jaser, Andrew McDonald, Werner Knoblich, (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg)