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From: Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>
To: Coiby Xu <coxu@redhat.com>
Cc: Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Karel Srot <ksrot@redhat.com>, James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Luis Chamberlain	 <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Petr Pavlu <petr.pavlu@suse.com>,
	Daniel Gomez	 <da.gomez@kernel.org>,
	Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	Roberto Sassu	 <roberto.sassu@huawei.com>,
	Dmitry Kasatkin <dmitry.kasatkin@gmail.com>,
	Eric Snowberg <eric.snowberg@oracle.com>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"open list:MODULE SUPPORT" <linux-modules@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] lsm,ima: new LSM hook security_kernel_module_read_file to access decompressed kernel module
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2025 14:28:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0dfec96bf98b1c18d51bf40f4329c3ede48a9f32.camel@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b9eb78105115a00731b3677a5f3a39d5dde4d2ec.camel@linux.ibm.com>

On Thu, 2025-11-06 at 17:15 -0500, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> On Thu, 2025-11-06 at 21:29 +0800, Coiby Xu wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 03:47:25PM -0500, Mimi Zohar wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2025-11-05 at 08:18 +0800, Coiby Xu wrote:
> > [...]
> > > 
> > > Hi Coiby,
> > > 
> > > Based on the conversation with Paul, there is no reason to remove the existing
> > > security_kernel_post_read_file() call.
> > > 
> > > The changes are similar to the 2nd link, but a bit different.
> > > - Define a single enumeration named READING_MODULE_COMPRESSED.
> > > 
> > > - In module/main.c add a new security_kernel_post_read_file() call immediately
> > > after decompressing the kernel module.  Like a previous version of this patch,
> > > call kernel_read_file() with either READING_MODULE or READING_MODULE_COMPRESSED
> > > based on MODULE_INIT_COMPRESSED_FILE.
> > > 
> > > - In ima_post_read_file() defer verifying the signature when the enumeration is
> > > READING_MODULE_COMPRESSED.  (No need for a new function ima_read_kernel_module.)
> > 
> > Hi Mimi,
> > 
> > Thanks for summarizing your conversation with Paul! I can confirm Paul's
> > approach works
> > https://github.com/coiby/linux/tree/in_kernel_decompression_ima_no_lsm_hook_paul
> > 
> > While testing the patch today, I realized there is another
> > issue/challenge introduced by in-kernel module decompression. IMA
> > appraisal is to verify the digest of compressed kernel module but
> > currently the passed buffer is uncompressed module. When IMA uses
> > uncompressed module data to calculate the digest, xattr signature
> > verification will fail. If we always make IMA read the original kernel
> > module data again to calculate the digest, does it look like a
> > quick-and-dirty fix? If we can assume people won't load kernel module so
> > often, the performance impact is negligible. Otherwise we may have to
> > introduce a new LSM hook so IMA can access uncompressed and original
> > module data one time.
> 
> ima_collect_measurement() stores the file hash info in the iint and uses that
> information to verify the signature as stored in the security xattr. 
> Decompressing the kernel module shouldn't affect the xattr signature
> verification.

In the case when the compressed kernel module hasn't previously been measured or
appraised before loading the kernel module, we need to "collect" the file data
hash on READING_MODULE_COMPRESSED, but defer appraising/measuring it.

An alternative to your suggestion of re-reading the original kernel module data
to calculate the digest or defining a new hook, would be to define "collect" as
a new "action" and pass the kernel_read_file_id enumeration to
process_measurement().  IMA_COLLECTED already exists.  Only IMA_COLLECT would
need to be defined.  The new collect "action" should be limited to
func=MODULE_CHECK.

The downside of this alternative is that it requires a new collect rule:
collect func=MODULE_CHECK mask=MAY_READ uid=0
appraise func=MODULE_CHECK appraise_type=imasig|modsig

-- 
thanks,

Mimi

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-07 19:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-28  3:03 [PATCH] ima: Fall back to default kernel module signature verification Coiby Xu
2025-09-30 13:57 ` Mimi Zohar
2025-09-30 20:28   ` Mimi Zohar
2025-10-16  3:46     ` Coiby Xu
2025-10-17  2:31       ` Mimi Zohar
2025-10-17  3:19         ` Coiby Xu
2025-10-17 17:49           ` Mimi Zohar
2025-10-17 23:19             ` Coiby Xu
2025-10-20 12:21               ` Mimi Zohar
2025-10-20 12:45                 ` Roberto Sassu
2025-10-20 13:57                   ` Mimi Zohar
2025-10-30  0:33                     ` Coiby Xu
2025-10-24 15:16                 ` Mimi Zohar
2025-10-30  0:31                   ` Coiby Xu
2025-10-30  3:01                     ` Mimi Zohar
2025-10-30 13:42                       ` Coiby Xu
2025-10-30 16:50                         ` Mimi Zohar
2025-10-31  7:58                           ` Coiby Xu
2025-10-02 17:17 ` kernel test robot
2025-10-16  3:51   ` Coiby Xu
2025-10-31  7:40 ` [PATCH v2] lsm,ima: new LSM hook security_kernel_module_read_file to access decompressed kernel module Coiby Xu
2025-11-01 16:50   ` Paul Moore
2025-11-02 15:05     ` Mimi Zohar
2025-11-02 15:43       ` Paul Moore
2025-11-05  0:18         ` Coiby Xu
2025-11-05  2:47           ` Paul Moore
2025-11-05 14:07             ` Mimi Zohar
2025-11-05 15:42               ` Paul Moore
2025-11-05 20:25                 ` Mimi Zohar
2025-11-06 13:35                   ` Coiby Xu
2025-11-05 20:47           ` Mimi Zohar
2025-11-06 13:29             ` Coiby Xu
2025-11-06 22:15               ` Mimi Zohar
2025-11-07 19:28                 ` Mimi Zohar [this message]
2025-11-13  4:06                   ` Coiby Xu
2025-11-18 12:19                     ` Mimi Zohar
2025-11-19  3:52                       ` Coiby Xu
2025-11-19  3:47   ` [PATCH v3] ima: Access decompressed kernel module to verify appended signature Coiby Xu
2025-11-19 13:29     ` Mimi Zohar
2025-11-19 14:05       ` Coiby Xu
2025-11-19 14:03   ` [PATCH v4] " Coiby Xu
2025-11-19 15:29     ` Mimi Zohar

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