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From: Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>
To: george anzinger <george@mvista.com>
Cc: Arjan Filius <iafilius@xs4all.nl>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Feedback on preemptible kernel patch
Date: 14 Sep 2001 11:01:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1000479706.2147.8.camel@phantasy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3BA1B222.806F43AA@mvista.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109102323450.24212-100000@sjoerd.sjoerdnet> <1000402027.23162.45.camel@phantasy>  <3BA1B222.806F43AA@mvista.com>

On Fri, 2001-09-14 at 03:30, george anzinger wrote:
> Right, the same problem as using floating point in the kernel (mmx uses
> the FP regs and they are not saved).

Right, and I suspect we will find more problems of this type as we go
on.  In fact, the more general case "things that are SMP-safe but not
preempt safe" will be issues, too.  The highmem bug was one of these -
code that was SMP-safe but did not have lock points because it was
per-CPU code.  Preemption ruins all that.

> The question is: Just how long do these routines take?  If it is very long
> it may be best to just say no. One way would be to always pretend that
> the"in_interrupt" flag is set.  I think possibly some routines are
> short and the switch off/ switch on pair is right, but for the long ones,
> well the preemption patch is supposed to make the kernel more preemptable,
> not less.  Any one have execution times for these functions?

Well, its the routines in arch/i386/lib/mmx.c -- and just the ones that
call kernel_begin/end_fpu.  My patch pushes a ctx_sw_off/on pair into
those functions.  Anyhow, if you look, they aren't too long.

However, I agree that we may be destroying our purpose here.  A user of
the patch actually put together a patch that will disable the CONFIG to
use the fast MMX memcpy stuff if preemption was enabled.  He benchmarked
against the two and I can send you those results when I sort through
them.

-- 
Robert M. Love
rml at ufl.edu
rml at tech9.net


  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-14 15:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-08  5:22 Feedback on preemptible kernel patch grue
2001-09-08  5:47 ` Robert Love
2001-09-08 17:33   ` Arjan Filius
2001-09-08 18:22     ` safemode
2001-09-08 20:58     ` [SMP lock BUG?] " Roger Larsson
2001-09-08 22:18       ` Arjan Filius
2001-09-09 14:55       ` george anzinger
2001-09-09 22:25         ` Arjan Filius
2001-09-09  4:40     ` Robert Love
2001-09-09 17:09       ` Robert Love
2001-09-09 21:07         ` Arjan Filius
2001-09-09 21:26           ` Robert Love
2001-09-09 21:23         ` Arjan Filius
2001-09-09 21:37           ` Robert Love
2001-09-10  3:24             ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10  3:37               ` Jeremy Zawodny
2001-09-10  5:09               ` Robert Love
2001-09-10 18:25                 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-10 21:29                 ` Arjan Filius
2001-09-13 17:27                   ` Robert Love
2001-09-14  7:30                     ` george anzinger
2001-09-14 15:01                       ` Robert Love [this message]
2001-09-11 19:47             ` Arjan Filius
2001-09-09 18:57   ` grue
2001-09-09 21:44     ` Robert Love
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-09-11 22:53 Robert Love
2001-09-14  2:47 Dieter Nützel
     [not found] <200109140302.f8E32LG13400@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-14  4:35 ` Robert Love
2001-09-15  4:25   ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]   ` <200109150444.f8F4iEG19063@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-15  5:14     ` Robert Love
2001-09-18  4:06       ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-18  8:35         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-18 18:18         ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-18 23:31           ` Robert Love
2001-09-20  6:40             ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]       ` <200109180406.f8I46LG02238@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-18 23:31         ` Robert Love
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0109140838040.21992-100000@sjoerd.sjoerdnet>
2001-09-14 15:04 ` Robert Love
2001-09-15  9:44   ` Arjan Filius
2001-09-15 10:38     ` Erik Mouw
2001-09-15 17:57     ` Robert Love
2001-09-15 19:18 Robert Love
2001-09-16  1:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-09-16  1:54   ` Daniel Phillips

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