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From: Andre Pang <ozone@algorithm.com.au>
To: Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, safemode@speakeasy.net,
	Dieter.Nuetzel@hamburg.de, iafilius@xs4all.nl,
	ilsensine@inwind.it, george@mvista.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2001 22:03:52 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1001246632.952193.13493.nullmailer@bozar.algorithm.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1000939458.3853.17.camel@phantasy> <1001131036.557760.4340.nullmailer@bozar.algorithm.com.au> <1001139027.1245.28.camel@phantasy> <1001143341.117502.5311.nullmailer@bozar.algorithm.com.au> <1001228764.864.53.camel@phantasy>
In-Reply-To: <1001228764.864.53.camel@phantasy>

On Sun, Sep 23, 2001 at 03:05:41AM -0400, Robert Love wrote:

> You are right, those older kernels are showing much better response
> times than your kernel.  One would think your newer kernel, with
> preemption or low-latency patch, would be an improvement.
> 
> I honestly don't know what to tell you.  It could be a piece of hardware
> (or, more accurately) its driver ... 

I found out why, it's the driver.  I'm an idiot for not trying
this before ... I was previously using ALSA's snd-card-ymfpci
driver; I switchted to the OSS ymfpci driver that comes with the
kernel.  My latencies used to be 15ms on average, with spikes >
30ms; they're now ~3ms with some occasional spikes up to 10ms.

The graphs and numbers are up at
http://www.algorithm.com.au/hacking/linux-lowlatency/

> the /proc/latencytimes output shows us that no single lock is accounting
> for your bad times.  In fact, all your locks aren't that bad, so...
> 
> maybe the problem is in the "overruns" -- I don't know what that means
> exactly.  maybe someone else on the list can shed some light? 
> otheriwse, you can email the author perhaps.

An over-run occurs when the latencytest program, which plays a
continuous sound, doesn't get re-scheduled quickly enough.  This
results in a sound dropout because it can't re-fill its buffer.
This is similar to what you would get in XMMS, except that
latencytest simulates professional audio applications which must
run with _very_ small buffers in order to get low latencies.
(Imagine your computer being sync'ed in realtime with lots of
other music equipment and have it drag behind by 30ms -- it
doesn't sound good :).

But I guess my problem's solved ... thanks so much to Andrew,
yourself, MontaVista, Dietel and all the other guys who spend
their hours benchmarking so this can be improved!  If you still
want me to run benchmarks, let me know.  The 15 kernels I've
compiled since starting testing have gotta be useful for
something.


-- 
#ozone/algorithm <ozone@algorithm.com.au>          - trust.in.love.to.save

  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-23 12:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-19 22:44 [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool Robert Love
2001-09-20  1:40 ` Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
2001-09-20  2:23   ` safemode
2001-09-20  1:13     ` David Lang
2001-09-20  2:57       ` Robert Love
2001-09-20  2:38     ` Robert Love
2001-09-20  6:31 ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-20  6:31 ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-20 20:27   ` Robert Love
     [not found]     ` <200109202111.f8KLBgG16833@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-20 22:09       ` [PATCH] Preemption patch 2.4.9-ac12 Robert Love
     [not found] ` <20010920063143.424BD1E41A@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-09-20  6:41   ` [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20  7:57     ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]     ` <20010920075751.6CA791E6B2@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-09-20  8:21       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20 20:13         ` george anzinger
2001-09-20 20:38           ` Randy.Dunlap
2001-09-20 21:10         ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 21:35           ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-20 22:03             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-09-20 22:51               ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]               ` <200109202252.f8KMqLG17327@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-21  3:17                 ` Robert Love
2001-09-21 15:48                   ` george anzinger
2001-09-22 21:09                     ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-22 23:40                       ` safemode
2001-09-22 23:46                       ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-23  0:15                       ` safemode
     [not found]                       ` <200109222340.BAA37547@blipp.internet5.net>
2001-09-23  0:38                         ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-23  1:42                           ` safemode
2001-09-23  3:02                           ` Robert Love
2001-09-23 16:43                             ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-23  0:42                       ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]                       ` <200109222341.f8MNfnG25152@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-23  2:50                         ` Robert Love
2001-09-23  3:14                           ` george anzinger
2001-09-23  4:06                             ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]                       ` <200109222347.f8MNlMG25157@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-23  2:54                         ` Robert Love
2001-09-27  0:02                           ` [reiserfs-list] " Dieter Nützel
     [not found]                       ` <200109230016.f8N0G6G25222@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-23  2:58                         ` Robert Love
     [not found]                     ` <200109222120.f8MLKYG24859@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-23  2:44                       ` Robert Love
     [not found]     ` <200109200757.JAA60995@blipp.internet5.net>
2001-09-20 17:37       ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-20 21:29         ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 21:53           ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]     ` <200109200758.f8K7wEG13675@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-20 21:09       ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 20:01 ` Tobias Diedrich
2001-09-20 22:01   ` Robert Love
2001-09-22  3:57 ` Andre Pang
2001-09-22  6:10   ` Robert Love
2001-09-22  7:22     ` Andre Pang
2001-09-23  3:18       ` george anzinger
2001-09-23  3:21         ` Robert Love
2001-09-23  7:05       ` Robert Love
2001-09-23 12:03         ` Andre Pang [this message]
2001-09-23 18:31           ` Robert Love
2001-09-22 12:56     ` ksoftirqd? (Was: Re: [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool) Roger Larsson
2001-09-22 13:14       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-22 20:51         ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-22 21:33           ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found] <200109202253.RAA21082@waste.org>
2001-09-20 23:15 ` [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool Oliver Xymoron
2001-09-21  0:42   ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-21  1:03     ` Alan Cox
2001-09-21  1:22       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-21  1:51         ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  1:38       ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-21  1:53         ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-21  2:08           ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-21  2:29             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 16:24       ` Jussi Laako
2001-09-21 16:36         ` Alan Cox
2001-09-21 18:46         ` Thomas Sailer
2001-09-22 10:30           ` Jussi Laako
2001-09-21 16:18     ` Stefan Westerfeld
2001-09-21 20:18       ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]       ` <200109212018.f8LKImG21229@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-21 21:47         ` Robert Love
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-09  5:23 [PATCH] preemption latency measurement tool Robert Love

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