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From: Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>
To: Andre Pang <ozone@algorithm.com.au>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, safemode@speakeasy.net,
	Dieter.Nuetzel@hamburg.de, iafilius@xs4all.nl,
	ilsensine@inwind.it, george@mvista.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool
Date: 23 Sep 2001 14:31:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1001269889.1325.3.camel@phantasy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1001246632.952193.13493.nullmailer@bozar.algorithm.com.au>
In-Reply-To: <1000939458.3853.17.camel@phantasy> <1001131036.557760.4340.nullmailer@bozar.algorithm.com.au> <1001139027.1245.28.camel@phantasy> <1001143341.117502.5311.nullmailer@bozar.algorithm.com.au> <1001228764.864.53.camel@phantasy>  <1001246632.952193.13493.nullmailer@bozar.algorithm.com.au>

On Sun, 2001-09-23 at 08:03, Andre Pang wrote:
> I found out why, it's the driver.  I'm an idiot for not trying
> this before ... I was previously using ALSA's snd-card-ymfpci
> driver; I switchted to the OSS ymfpci driver that comes with the
> kernel.  My latencies used to be 15ms on average, with spikes >
> 30ms; they're now ~3ms with some occasional spikes up to 10ms.

You are the second or third person to report high latencies with ALSA
drivers.  I wonder what braindead locking they do?

Good find.

> The graphs and numbers are up at
> http://www.algorithm.com.au/hacking/linux-lowlatency/

Nice results.

> > maybe the problem is in the "overruns" -- I don't know what that means
> > exactly.  maybe someone else on the list can shed some light? 
> > otheriwse, you can email the author perhaps.
> 
> An over-run occurs when the latencytest program, which plays a
> continuous sound, doesn't get re-scheduled quickly enough.  This
> results in a sound dropout because it can't re-fill its buffer.
> This is similar to what you would get in XMMS, except that
> latencytest simulates professional audio applications which must
> run with _very_ small buffers in order to get low latencies.
> (Imagine your computer being sync'ed in realtime with lots of
> other music equipment and have it drag behind by 30ms -- it
> doesn't sound good :).

Oh, ok -- its pretty much the number of times the scheduling latency was
greater than the audio buffer time.

> But I guess my problem's solved ... thanks so much to Andrew,
> yourself, MontaVista, Dietel and all the other guys who spend
> their hours benchmarking so this can be improved!  If you still
> want me to run benchmarks, let me know.  The 15 kernels I've
> compiled since starting testing have gotta be useful for
> something.

You are welcome :)

I should probably take a look at ALSA stuff and see if I can find what
exactly is the culprit.

Thank you for the feedback, now we know.

-- 
Robert M. Love
rml at ufl.edu
rml at tech9.net


  reply	other threads:[~2001-09-23 18:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-09-19 22:44 [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool Robert Love
2001-09-20  1:40 ` Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
2001-09-20  2:23   ` safemode
2001-09-20  1:13     ` David Lang
2001-09-20  2:57       ` Robert Love
2001-09-20  2:38     ` Robert Love
2001-09-20  6:31 ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-20  6:31 ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-20 20:27   ` Robert Love
     [not found]     ` <200109202111.f8KLBgG16833@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-20 22:09       ` [PATCH] Preemption patch 2.4.9-ac12 Robert Love
     [not found] ` <20010920063143.424BD1E41A@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-09-20  6:41   ` [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20  7:57     ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]     ` <20010920075751.6CA791E6B2@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-09-20  8:21       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-20 20:13         ` george anzinger
2001-09-20 20:38           ` Randy.Dunlap
2001-09-20 21:10         ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 21:35           ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-20 22:03             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-09-20 22:51               ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]               ` <200109202252.f8KMqLG17327@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-21  3:17                 ` Robert Love
2001-09-21 15:48                   ` george anzinger
2001-09-22 21:09                     ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-22 23:40                       ` safemode
2001-09-22 23:46                       ` Dieter Nützel
2001-09-23  0:15                       ` safemode
     [not found]                       ` <200109222340.BAA37547@blipp.internet5.net>
2001-09-23  0:38                         ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-23  1:42                           ` safemode
2001-09-23  3:02                           ` Robert Love
2001-09-23 16:43                             ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-23  0:42                       ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]                       ` <200109222341.f8MNfnG25152@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-23  2:50                         ` Robert Love
2001-09-23  3:14                           ` george anzinger
2001-09-23  4:06                             ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]                       ` <200109222347.f8MNlMG25157@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-23  2:54                         ` Robert Love
2001-09-27  0:02                           ` [reiserfs-list] " Dieter Nützel
     [not found]                       ` <200109230016.f8N0G6G25222@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-23  2:58                         ` Robert Love
     [not found]                     ` <200109222120.f8MLKYG24859@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-23  2:44                       ` Robert Love
     [not found]     ` <200109200757.JAA60995@blipp.internet5.net>
2001-09-20 17:37       ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-20 21:29         ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 21:53           ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]     ` <200109200758.f8K7wEG13675@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-20 21:09       ` Robert Love
2001-09-20 20:01 ` Tobias Diedrich
2001-09-20 22:01   ` Robert Love
2001-09-22  3:57 ` Andre Pang
2001-09-22  6:10   ` Robert Love
2001-09-22  7:22     ` Andre Pang
2001-09-23  3:18       ` george anzinger
2001-09-23  3:21         ` Robert Love
2001-09-23  7:05       ` Robert Love
2001-09-23 12:03         ` Andre Pang
2001-09-23 18:31           ` Robert Love [this message]
2001-09-22 12:56     ` ksoftirqd? (Was: Re: [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool) Roger Larsson
2001-09-22 13:14       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-22 20:51         ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-22 21:33           ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found] <200109202253.RAA21082@waste.org>
2001-09-20 23:15 ` [PATCH] Preemption Latency Measurement Tool Oliver Xymoron
2001-09-21  0:42   ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-21  1:03     ` Alan Cox
2001-09-21  1:22       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-09-21  1:51         ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21  1:38       ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-21  1:53         ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-21  2:08           ` Roger Larsson
2001-09-21  2:29             ` Rik van Riel
2001-09-21 16:24       ` Jussi Laako
2001-09-21 16:36         ` Alan Cox
2001-09-21 18:46         ` Thomas Sailer
2001-09-22 10:30           ` Jussi Laako
2001-09-21 16:18     ` Stefan Westerfeld
2001-09-21 20:18       ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]       ` <200109212018.f8LKImG21229@zero.tech9.net>
2001-09-21 21:47         ` Robert Love
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-04-09  5:23 [PATCH] preemption latency measurement tool Robert Love

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