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From: Robert Love <rml@ufl.edu>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Cc: safemode <safemode@speakeasy.net>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.4.10-ac10-preempt lmbench output.
Date: 09 Oct 2001 23:24:36 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1002684288.862.123.camel@phantasy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20011010050630.E726@athlon.random>
In-Reply-To: <20011010003636Z271005-760+23005@vger.kernel.org> <20011010031803.F8384@athlon.random> <20011010020935.50DEF1E756@Cantor.suse.de> <20011010043003.C726@athlon.random> <1002681480.1044.67.camel@phantasy>  <20011010050630.E726@athlon.random>

On Tue, 2001-10-09 at 23:06, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> [...]
> I think the issue you raise is that dbench gets a 10msec more of cpu
> time and xmms starts running 10msec later than expected (because of the
> scheduler latency peak worst case of 10msec).
> 
> But that doesn't matter. The scheduler isn't perfect anyways. The
> resolution of the scheduler is 10msec too, so you can easily lose 10msec
> anywhere else no matter of whatever scheduler latency of 10msec. [...]

I agree with generally everything you say.

I think, however,  you are making two assumptions:

(a) xmms has a very large leeway in the timing of its execution

(b) the maximum time a process sits in kernel space is 10ms.

While I agree (a) is true, it may not be so in all scenerios. 
Furthermore, the specified leeway does not exist for all timing-critical
tasks.  Not all of these tasks are specialized real-time applications,
either.

Most importantly, however, the maximum latency of the system is not
10ms.  Even _with_ preemption, we have observed greater latencies (due
to long held locks).

This is why I believe the a preemptible kernel benefits more than just
real-time signal processing.

	Robert Love


  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-10  3:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-10  0:36 2.4.10-ac10-preempt lmbench output safemode
2001-10-10  1:18 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10  2:09   ` safemode
2001-10-10  2:10   ` Robert Love
2001-10-10  2:51     ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]   ` <20011010020935.50DEF1E756@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-10-10  2:30     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10  2:37       ` Robert Love
2001-10-10  3:06         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10  3:24           ` Robert Love [this message]
2001-10-10  4:03             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-12 13:22         ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-13 20:42           ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-13 23:21           ` Robert Love
2001-10-14  6:18             ` Pavel Machek
2001-10-10  5:25 ` Justin A
2001-10-10 19:42   ` Buffers, dbench and latency Roger Larsson
     [not found] <200110100036.UAA128640@ufl.edu>
2001-10-10  2:02 ` 2.4.10-ac10-preempt lmbench output Robert Love
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-10  3:57 Dieter Nützel
     [not found] <200110100358.f9A3wSB17421@zero.tech9.net>
2001-10-10  4:02 ` Robert Love
2001-10-10  4:04   ` Robert Love
2001-10-10  4:27   ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found] <20011010035818.A556B1E760@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-10-10  4:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10  4:42   ` Dieter Nützel
     [not found]   ` <20011010044242.82D131E768@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-10-10  4:48     ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found] <200110100358.NAA17519@isis.its.uow.edu.au>
2001-10-10  5:13 ` Andrew Morton
2001-10-10  5:26   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10 11:41     ` safemode
2001-10-10 12:00       ` safemode
     [not found]       ` <20011010120009.851921E7C9@Cantor.suse.de>
2001-10-10 13:36         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-10-10 15:37           ` Dieter Nützel
2001-10-10 20:10             ` Justin A
2001-10-10 23:42           ` safemode
2001-10-11  0:30             ` Mike Fedyk
2001-10-10 18:14   ` george anzinger

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