Re: [kbuild-devel] Converting the 2.5 kernel to kbuild 2.5

[Edward Muller <emuller@learningpatterns.com>]

I'm just sick of people saying that python is bloated.

I've put python on my Compaq IPAQ (running linux) and with very few
amounts of tweaks it took up less 1 MB. And that's including gtk
bindings (no tk though) and just about the entire standard python
library. Someone else tried to do this with perl and they couldn't get
it under 3 MB IIRC. And IIRC, the current kernel build system requires
perl (I could be wrong, I'm just a watcher on this list, not a hacker).
So ... PYTHON IS NOT BLOATED.

Python maybe slow (when compared to C/C++ code). But that is the nature
of an interpreted language. Python's speed is on par with Perl's and
most other interpreted languages.

Anyway ... I'm done venting.

On Tue, 2001-12-04 at 13:30, RaúlNúñez de Arenas Coronado wrote:
>     Hi Eric :))
> 
> >(2) Requiring Python introduces another tool into the requisites list for
> >kernel building.  
> 
>     I'm happy to see that out of your 'silly' list...
> 
> >I'm just going to say "Today's problems, today's tools."
> 
>     Hey, hope that Python never gets considered a 'today's tool' or
> we will end up needing 256 CPU mainframes just to issue an 'ls'
> (maybe this will not be enough if filesystem drivers are written in
> Python too. In the future, I mean...).
> 
>     And yes, Python is a today's problem. Fortunately, people keeps
> rewriting their Python code in true languages.
> 
> >Progress happens.
> 
>     Python is not progress, is just bloatware. I don't think that the
> kernel *building* should be made dependant on such a fatware. And,
> how about the 'Python License'. I'm pretty sure that it is compatible
> with the rest of the kernel, but we should pray for it not to change.
> 
>     And, well, Python is fatware just for me: anyway will see
> reasonable to install a 6Mb sources language just for the
> configuration of the kernel. Very reasonable.
> 
> >If you don't like it, feel free to go back to writing Autocoder on your 1401.
> 
>     Good policy... People who don't like Python are morons... And
> maybe those that neither use Java or C# for the kernel will be too in
> a near future, is that what you're trying to say?
> 
>     Eric, I think that this is an important issue and that the
> decision about adding such a big dependence to the kernel should be
> studied with care, and not imposed.
> 
>     Raúl
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