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From: Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>
To: Mikael Pettersson <mikpe@csd.uu.se>
Cc: linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: 2.4.18 Preempt Freezeups
Date: 15 Mar 2002 14:11:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1016219530.904.21.camel@phantasy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <15506.7486.729120.64389@kim.it.uu.se>
In-Reply-To: <3C9153A7.292C320@ianduggan.net> <1016157250.4599.62.camel@phantasy> <3C91B2A1.48C74B82@ianduggan.net> <1016202310.908.1.camel@phantasy>  <15506.7486.729120.64389@kim.it.uu.se>

On Fri, 2002-03-15 at 11:11, Mikael Pettersson wrote:

> "more than likely": that's perhaps true for your average NIC/soundcard/
> whatever driver, but things that poke the processor itself (like my
> performance-monitoring counters driver) really do depend on not being
> preempted. In my view, CONFIG_SMP is a minor triviality compared to
> CONFIG_PREEMPT ...

If you "poke the processor", to be SMP-safe, you should hold a lock to
prevent multiple concurrent "pokings of the processor" - thus you become
preempt-safe.

It is a rare case where something does not hold lock, assumes some sort
of non-reentrancy/concurrency, and is actually still SMP-safe.  The only
nontrivial case I have seen is drivers that call disable_irq(n) and thus
are assured they won't have another driver request and then go off to
touch hardware.

In general, the sort of "non-preemptibility" you are requiring is also a
requirement for non-reentrancy and non-concurrency and thus your
measures to protect those (SMP locking, et al) assure you your
preempt-kernel protection, too.

	Robert Love





  reply	other threads:[~2002-03-15 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-03-15  1:51 2.4.18 Preempt Freezeups Ian Duggan
2002-03-15  1:54 ` Robert Love
2002-03-15  8:36   ` Ian Duggan
2002-03-15 14:25     ` Robert Love
2002-03-15 16:11       ` Mikael Pettersson
2002-03-15 19:11         ` Robert Love [this message]
2002-03-16  0:40           ` yodaiken
2002-03-16  1:46             ` Mike Fedyk
2002-03-16  3:12               ` yodaiken
2002-03-17  0:33             ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-17  1:13               ` yodaiken
2002-03-17  1:14                 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-17  1:54                   ` yodaiken
2002-03-17  2:08                     ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-17 21:17                     ` Davide Libenzi
2002-03-15 14:30     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-15 21:36       ` Ian Duggan
2002-03-15  2:11 ` Alan Cox
2002-03-15  8:38   ` Ian Duggan
2002-03-15  8:51     ` David S. Miller
2002-03-15 14:28     ` Alan Cox
2002-03-16 23:51       ` Daniel Phillips
2002-03-17  3:31         ` Alan Cox
2002-03-17 12:59           ` Dave Jones
2002-03-15  8:43   ` Daniel Phillips

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