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From: Vladimir Zidar <mr_w@mindnever.org>
To: "Peter Wächtler" <pwaechtler@loewe-komp.de>
Cc: Hubertus Franke <frankeh@watson.ibm.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Futex Asynchronous Interface
Date: 12 Jun 2002 20:15:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1023905756.1387.290.camel@server1> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3D077BBB.6090708@loewe-komp.de>

On Wed, 2002-06-12 at 18:50, Peter Wächtler wrote:

> >>What are the plans on how to deal with a waiter when the lock holder
> >>dies abnormally?
> >>
> >>What about sending a signal (SIGTRAP or SIGLOST), returning -1 and
> >>setting errno to a reasonable value (EIO?)
> >>
> >>I couldn't find anything in susv3
> >>
> > 
> > I thing this was decided some time ago that we won't deal with this situation.
> > If we need to, the following needs to happen.
> > 
> > A) we need to follow a protocol to register the PID/TID id within the lock.
> >     Example of this is described in 
> > 	"Recoverable User-Level Mutual Exclusion" by Phiilip Bohannon
> >             Proceedings of the 7th IEEE Symposium on Parallel and Distributed 
> >             Systems, 1995.
> > 
> > B) this again requires that some entity (kernel ?) knows about all locks, 
> > whether waited on in the kernel or not.
> > 
> > C) I believe we need a deamon that occasinally identifies dead locks.
> > 
> > Is it worth all this trouble? Or do we need two versions of the ?
> > 
> > The paper describes that for a Sun SS20/61 the safe spin locks obtained
> > only 25% of the performance of spinlocks.
> > 
> 
> Oops, I see it already myself. We lack a way for saying who is/was owning
> the futex and so we can hardly tell who is waiting on this "unknown" lock.
> :-(

 Which is not the case in 'nutex' implementation.

 Take look:

 http://www.mindnever.org/~mr_w/nutex_mod.tar.gz


-- 
Bye,

 and have a very nice day !




  reply	other threads:[~2002-06-12 18:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-06-06  7:26 [PATCH] Futex Asynchronous Interface Rusty Russell
2002-06-02  0:10 ` Pavel Machek
2002-06-10  6:57   ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-06 16:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-06 19:27   ` Alan Cox
2002-06-06 23:21   ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-07  8:33     ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-08 22:28       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-09  9:49         ` Kai Henningsen
2002-06-09 18:09           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-09 19:06             ` Thunder from the hill
2002-06-10  6:39             ` Kai Henningsen
2002-06-10  7:55             ` Helge Hafting
2002-06-10 14:10               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-06-10 20:46                 ` Kai Henningsen
2002-06-11 14:14                   ` john slee
2002-06-10 15:11               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-11 15:06                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-06-10 20:57             ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-06-09 10:07         ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-09 17:49           ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-07  9:06   ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-08 22:42     ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-11  9:15       ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-11 16:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-12  5:32           ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-12  9:16             ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-12 14:19               ` Hubertus Franke
2002-06-12 16:50                 ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-12 18:15                   ` Vladimir Zidar [this message]
2002-06-12 15:39               ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-12 16:29                 ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-12 16:52                   ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-12 17:07                     ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-12 18:32                     ` Saurabh Desai
2002-06-12 20:05                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-06-12 20:16                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-13  2:57                     ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-13  9:37                       ` Peter Wächtler
2002-06-13  9:55                         ` Rusty Russell
2002-06-13 16:38                     ` Gabriel Paubert
2002-06-13 16:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
2002-06-13  1:32               ` Rusty Russell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-06-06 16:08 Martin Wirth
2002-06-06 22:59 ` Rusty Russell

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