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From: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Sam Vilain <sam@vilain.net>,
	dax@gurulabs.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks
Date: 15 Jul 2002 09:40:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1026740450.21656.355.camel@tiny> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1026739383.13885.114.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk>

On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 09:23, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-07-15 at 13:02, Sam Vilain wrote:
> > Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> >    "Yes, we know that there is no directory hashing in ext2/3.  You'll have 
> > to find another solution to the problem, I'm afraid.  Why not ease the
> > burden on the filesystem by breaking up the task for it, and giving it
> > to it in small pieces.  That way it's much less likely to choke."
> 
> Actually there are several other reasons for it. It sucks a lot less
> when you need to use ls and friends to inspect part of the spool. It
> also makes it much easier to split the mail spool over multiple disks as
> it grows without having to backup/restore the spool area

Another good reason is i_sem.  If you've got more than one process doing
something to that directory, you spend lots of time waiting for the
semaphore.  I think it was andrew that reminded me i_sem is held on
fsync, so fync(dir) to make things safe after a rename can slow things
down. 

reiserfs only needs fsync(file), ext3 needs fsync(anything on the fs). 
If ext3 would promise to make fsync(file) sufficient forever, it might
help the mta authors tune.

-chris



  reply	other threads:[~2002-07-15 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-12 16:21 [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks Dax Kelson
2002-07-12 17:05 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-12 17:26   ` kwijibo
2002-07-12 17:36     ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-12 20:34 ` Chris Mason
2002-07-13  4:44 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-14 20:40 ` Dax Kelson
2002-07-15  8:26   ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-15 12:30     ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 12:02       ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-15 13:23         ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 13:40           ` Chris Mason [this message]
2002-07-15 19:40             ` Andrew Morton
2002-07-15 15:12         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-15 16:03         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-15 16:12           ` Daniel Phillips
2002-07-15 17:48           ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-15 18:47             ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-15 19:26               ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-16  8:18               ` Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 12:22                 ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-16 12:49                   ` Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 15:11                     ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-16 15:22                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-07-16 15:39                       ` Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 19:45                         ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 20:04                           ` Shawn
2002-07-16 20:11                             ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-16 20:22                               ` Shawn
2002-07-16 20:27                                 ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2002-07-17 11:45                                 ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-17 19:02                                   ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-18  9:29                                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-19  8:29                                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-19 16:39                                       ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-19 20:01                                         ` Shawn
2002-07-19 20:47                                           ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-15 21:14             ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-17 18:41               ` bill davidsen
2002-07-17 19:47                 ` [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks (whither dump?) Lew Wolfgang
2002-07-16  8:15             ` [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 12:27               ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 12:43                 ` Stelian Pop
2002-07-16 12:53                   ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 13:05                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-07-16 19:38                       ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 19:49                         ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-16 20:11                         ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 21:06                           ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 21:23                             ` Andreas Dilger
2002-07-16 21:38                               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-17 11:47                               ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-18 14:50                               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-18 15:09                                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-16 22:19                             ` Backups done right (was [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks) stoffel
2002-07-16 22:33                               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-18 15:04                               ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-18 15:27                                 ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-18 15:50                                 ` stoffel
2002-07-18 16:29                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2002-07-19 15:28                               ` Sam Vilain
2002-07-17 18:51                     ` [ANNOUNCE] Ext3 vs Reiserfs benchmarks bill davidsen
2002-07-18  9:32                       ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-15 12:09       ` Matti Aarnio
     [not found] <20020712162306$aa7d@traf.lcs.mit.edu>
     [not found] ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/20020712162306$aa7d@traf.lcs.mit.edu>
2002-07-15 15:22   ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-15 17:31     ` Chris Mason
2002-07-15 18:33     ` Matthias Andree
     [not found]     ` <20020715173337$acad@traf.lcs.mit.edu>
     [not found]       ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/20020715173337$acad@traf.lcs.mit.edu>
2002-07-15 19:13         ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-15 20:55           ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-15 21:23             ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-15 21:38               ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 12:31                 ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 15:53                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 19:26                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 19:38                       ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-15 21:59               ` Ketil Froyn
2002-07-15 23:08                 ` Matti Aarnio
2002-07-16 12:33                   ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-15 22:55             ` Alan Cox
2002-07-15 21:58               ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-15 21:14           ` Chris Mason
2002-07-15 21:31             ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-15 22:12               ` Richard A Nelson
2002-07-16  1:02               ` Lawrence Greenfield
     [not found]                 ` <mit.lcs.mail.linux-kernel/200207160102.g6G12BiH022986@lin2.andrew.cmu.edu>
2002-07-16  1:43                   ` Patrick J. LoPresti
2002-07-16  1:56                     ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-16 12:47                     ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16 21:09                     ` James Antill
2002-07-16 12:35             ` Matthias Andree
2002-07-16  7:07     ` Dax Kelson

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