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From: Federico Ferreres <fferreres@ojf.com>
To: Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL?
Date: 27 Jul 2002 04:44:23 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1027755867.2525.70.camel@fede> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0207270214570.23484-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>

On Sat, 2002-07-27 at 03:29, Alexander Viro wrote:
> Sigh...  That stops working at the same point where pyramid does - when
> number of recepients becomes a sufficiently large fraction of all potential
> participants.  It is not sustainable.

I forgot to answer that one. It doesn't matter how many people want to
join a project. It's up to the copyright owners to decide how much stuff
they need, who to "work with", "how much folks are needed" and how is
the line of comand structured. At some point, contributors will have to
send free patches as they are doing now. That may or may not earn them
into the "core team".

Users will decide how much money to put in such projects. If not enough
funds are pointed in your direction (based on how much the developer
requested), you'll just have to do with less (which is better than
nothing). And the asked funds will probably make sense, because if they
don't there will be an incentive to branchthe project (except for the
core apps as already pointed out).

In the Debian scheme, people can't choose where the money goes, and
there's no strict limit to the number of developers, and it's not a big
enough user base (though big). As you point out, the ships sinks, as
it's a classical example of the Fishermen dylema: the more you capture,
the better of you are off, but you can't prevents others from doing the
same. After some time there's so much fishermen that nobody capture
enough to make a living from it. 

And that's why fGPL should allow people to choose their funded projects
(except the core systems) and why lead developers should be able to
manage the funds as they see fit.

Federico


  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-07-27  7:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-26 16:09 Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL? Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 16:15 ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-07-26 19:39   ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 19:48     ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-07-26 19:56       ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-26 20:07         ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-07-26 20:53           ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 20:08       ` Andrew Rodland
     [not found]       ` <1027714314.906.56.camel@fede>
2002-07-26 20:15         ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 21:23           ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-26 16:46             ` Rob Landley
2002-07-27  0:03             ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27  3:02               ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-27  5:10                 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27  5:34                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-27  5:51                     ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27  6:29                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-27  7:23                         ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27 15:42                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-27 15:59                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-27 16:06                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-27 16:22                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-27 17:46                                   ` Roger Larsson
2002-07-27 19:49                                     ` Keith Adamson
2002-07-28  1:32                                   ` Daniel Mose
2002-07-28  5:21                                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-28  5:32                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-28  9:16                                       ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-28 10:35                                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-28 15:02                                           ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-29  7:39                                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-29  9:07                                             ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-29 13:11                                               ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-29 16:53                                                 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-08-01 19:16                                                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-29 19:47                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-29 20:55                                               ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-30 15:12                                               ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2002-07-30 16:26                                                 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-07-30 16:07                                               ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-30 18:22                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-30 19:11                                                   ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-30 19:29                                                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-30 19:42                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-30 20:03                                                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-28 14:20                                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-29  7:19                                   ` Hans Reiser
     [not found]                                     ` <20020801162716.B27939@work.bitmover.com>
2002-08-02  1:15                                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-27 21:44                                 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27  7:44                         ` Federico Ferreres [this message]
     [not found]               ` <20020730222018.GA17860@elf.ucw.cz>
2002-08-02  4:29                 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-08-02  7:55                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-08-03 20:57                   ` David Schwartz
2002-08-03 22:55                     ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27 20:10             ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2002-07-31 20:03             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-01  9:32               ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 13:48                 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-01 16:51                   ` Gerhard Mack
2002-08-01 20:17                     ` David Schwartz
2002-08-02  8:46                       ` Kai Henningsen
2002-08-03 21:04                         ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 21:56                   ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 18:41                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-01 20:24                   ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 20:52                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-08-01 18:42               ` Funding Linux kernel -fringe and -future devel. projects ? Daniel Mose
2002-08-01 20:26                 ` Mark Hahn
2002-07-29 11:48           ` Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL? Thunder from the hill
2002-07-26 16:42 ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-26 17:01   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-26 17:07     ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-26 17:08       ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-26 17:18         ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-26 17:14           ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-26 20:03     ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 20:29       ` Jon Portnoy
2002-07-26 20:43         ` Federico Ferreres
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-29 11:20 Samium Gromoff
2002-07-29 18:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-29 17:00 Federico Ferreres
2002-07-30  6:05 Samium Gromoff

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