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From: Federico Ferreres <fferreres@ojf.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL?
Date: 27 Jul 2002 18:44:05 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1027806251.2670.54.camel@fede> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44L.0207271302550.3086-100000@imladris.surriel.com>

On Sat, 2002-07-27 at 13:06, Rik van Riel wrote:
> Agreed.  What we need is funding for the development of those
> things which aren't already taken care of by the community.

The problem is not the community, but how the comunity is structured in
certain areas. If big companies, educational institutions or goverments
are not interested in your project, the OSS model fails as you stated.  

> In the areas where open source software is doing well, there
> already is funding by interested parties (companies, government,
> universities, ...).

100% true.

> In short, I believe the voluntary donations aren't needed in
> most areas people would donate to and won't make enough of an
> impact in the areas where they are needed.

Good point. I started at the wrong place. Anyway, if your funding is
based on final users payments you need to make payment a non-option. So
if vital parts of GNU don't help them a bit, it may just not work. If
Windows/DOS didn't help fund Office, would we be having the Office
compatibility problems now? Extend the list to all MS userland apps.

As long as payment is optional and fragmented, OSS will have a hard time
in userland core apps. Maybe an fGPL could work for them. Bad luck the
projects that could help are already well funded.

I'll get back and rethink the problem ...

Federico
PS: Larry, it's ok really. Harsh comments that make sense are much
better than silence. Though without your posts it'd have been mostly
flames. Thanks!

> regards,
> 
> Rik
> -- 
> Bravely reimplemented by the knights who say "NIH".
> 
> http://www.surriel.com/		http://distro.conectiva.com/
> 



  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-07-27 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-07-26 16:09 Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL? Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 16:15 ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-07-26 19:39   ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 19:48     ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-07-26 19:56       ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-26 20:07         ` Robinson Maureira Castillo
2002-07-26 20:53           ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 20:08       ` Andrew Rodland
     [not found]       ` <1027714314.906.56.camel@fede>
2002-07-26 20:15         ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 21:23           ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-26 16:46             ` Rob Landley
2002-07-27  0:03             ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27  3:02               ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-27  5:10                 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27  5:34                   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-27  5:51                     ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27  6:29                       ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-27  7:23                         ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27 15:42                           ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-27 15:59                             ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-27 16:06                               ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-27 16:22                                 ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-27 17:46                                   ` Roger Larsson
2002-07-27 19:49                                     ` Keith Adamson
2002-07-28  1:32                                   ` Daniel Mose
2002-07-28  5:21                                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-28  5:32                                       ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-28  9:16                                       ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-28 10:35                                         ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-28 15:02                                           ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-29  7:39                                           ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-29  9:07                                             ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-29 13:11                                               ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-29 16:53                                                 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-08-01 19:16                                                   ` Thunder from the hill
2002-07-29 19:47                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-29 20:55                                               ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-30 15:12                                               ` Gilad Ben-Yossef
2002-07-30 16:26                                                 ` Jesse Pollard
2002-07-30 16:07                                               ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-30 18:22                                                 ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-30 19:11                                                   ` Gerhard Mack
2002-07-30 19:29                                                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-30 19:42                                                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-30 20:03                                                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-07-28 14:20                                         ` Rik van Riel
2002-07-29  7:19                                   ` Hans Reiser
     [not found]                                     ` <20020801162716.B27939@work.bitmover.com>
2002-08-02  1:15                                       ` Hans Reiser
2002-07-27 21:44                                 ` Federico Ferreres [this message]
2002-07-27  7:44                         ` Federico Ferreres
     [not found]               ` <20020730222018.GA17860@elf.ucw.cz>
2002-08-02  4:29                 ` Federico Ferreres
2002-08-02  7:55                   ` Pavel Machek
2002-08-03 20:57                   ` David Schwartz
2002-08-03 22:55                     ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-27 20:10             ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2002-07-31 20:03             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-01  9:32               ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 13:48                 ` Alan Cox
2002-08-01 16:51                   ` Gerhard Mack
2002-08-01 20:17                     ` David Schwartz
2002-08-02  8:46                       ` Kai Henningsen
2002-08-03 21:04                         ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 21:56                   ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 18:41                 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-08-01 20:24                   ` David Schwartz
2002-08-01 20:52                     ` Alexander Viro
2002-08-01 18:42               ` Funding Linux kernel -fringe and -future devel. projects ? Daniel Mose
2002-08-01 20:26                 ` Mark Hahn
2002-07-29 11:48           ` Funding GPL projects or funding the GPL? Thunder from the hill
2002-07-26 16:42 ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-26 17:01   ` Alexander Viro
2002-07-26 17:07     ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-26 17:08       ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-26 17:18         ` Larry McVoy
2002-07-26 17:14           ` Cort Dougan
2002-07-26 20:03     ` Federico Ferreres
2002-07-26 20:29       ` Jon Portnoy
2002-07-26 20:43         ` Federico Ferreres
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-07-29 11:20 Samium Gromoff
2002-07-29 18:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-07-29 17:00 Federico Ferreres
2002-07-30  6:05 Samium Gromoff

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