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From: Con Kolivas <conman@kolivas.net>
To: root@chaos.analogic.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [BENCHMARK] Corrected gcc3.2 v gcc2.95.3 contest results
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 00:24:49 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1032791089.3d8f2431231ac@kolivas.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1020923101125.3233A-100000@chaos.analogic.com>

Quoting "Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com>:

> On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Ryan Anderson wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 08:30:21PM +1000, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > > Quoting Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>:
> > > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2002, Con Kolivas wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > how many times are you running each test? You should run them at
> least
> > > > twice (ideally 3 times at least), to establish some sort of
> statistical
> > > > noise measure. Especially IO benchmarks tend to fluctuate very
> heavily
> > > > depending on various things - they are also very dependent on the
> initial
> > > > state - ie. how the pagecache happens to lay out, etc. Ie. a
> meaningful
> > > > measurement result would be something like:
> > > 
> > > Yes you make a very valid point and something I've been stewing over
> privately
> > > for some time. contest runs benchmarks in a fixed order with a "priming"
> compile
> > > to try and get pagecaches etc back to some sort of baseline (I've been
> trying
> > > hard to make the results accurate and repeatable). 
> > 
> > Well, run contest once, discard the results.  Run it 3 more times, and
> > you should have started the second, third and fourth runs with similar
> initial conditions.
> > 
> > Or you could run the contest 3 times, rebooting between each run....
> > (automating that is a little harder, of course.)
> > 
> > IANAS, however.
> > 
> 
> (1)	Obtain statistics from a number of runs.
> (2)	Throw away the smallest and largest.
> (3)	Average whatever remains.
> 
> This works for many "real-world" things because it removes noise-spikes
> that could unfairly poison the average.

That is the system I was considering. I just need to run enough benchmarks to
make this worthwhile though. That means about 5 for each it seems - which may
take me a while. A basic mean will suffice for a measure of central tendency. I
also need to quote some measure of variability. Standard deviation?

Con

  reply	other threads:[~2002-09-23 14:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-23  6:55 [BENCHMARK] Corrected gcc3.2 v gcc2.95.3 contest results Con Kolivas
2002-09-23  7:49 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-23 10:30   ` Con Kolivas
2002-09-23 11:03     ` jw schultz
2002-09-23 12:47     ` Erik Andersen
2002-09-23 13:00       ` Con Kolivas
2002-09-23 13:15       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-09-23 13:35         ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-23 14:09           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-09-23 18:24       ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-23 14:02     ` Ryan Anderson
2002-09-23 14:15       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-09-23 14:24         ` Con Kolivas [this message]
2002-09-23 14:34           ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-09-23 16:03             ` Måns Rullgård
2002-09-23 14:43           ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-09-24 21:30             ` Bill Davidsen
2002-09-23 16:34           ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-09-23 21:47             ` Con Kolivas
2002-09-24  1:12               ` jw schultz
2002-09-24  9:18                 ` Jan Hudec
2002-09-23 14:26     ` Ingo Molnar
2002-09-23 14:36       ` Con Kolivas
2002-09-24 21:27   ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33.0209232236070.27095-100000@coffee.psychology.mcmaster.ca>
2002-09-24  2:45 ` Con Kolivas
2002-09-24  3:01   ` Andrew Morton
2002-09-24  9:34     ` Jan Hudec
2002-09-24 13:45     ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-09-24  9:26       ` Con Kolivas
2002-09-24 14:19         ` Denis Vlasenko
2002-09-24 15:47       ` Mark Hahn

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