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From: Albert Cahalan <albert@users.sf.net>
To: procps-list@redhat.com, mingo@elte.hu
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Alex Larsson <alexl@redhat.com>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@math.psu.edu>
Subject: Re: [patch] procfs/procps threading performance speedup, 2.5.62
Date: 22 Feb 2003 15:52:50 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1045947170.19445.57.camel@cube> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302201818060.32324-100000@localhost.localdomain>

On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 12:23, Ingo Molnar wrote:

> architecture-wise there is a difference, and i'd be
> the last one arguing against a tree-based approach to
> thread groups. It's much easier to find threads belonging
> to a single 'process' via /proc this way - although no
> functionality in procps has or requires such a feature currently.

Nope, the /proc/123/threads/246/stat approach is required.
Without this, procps is forced to read _all_ tasks to
group threads together. This is slow, prone to race conditions,
more vulnerable to kernel bugs, and a memory hog.

FYI, thread grouping is required even if whole-process
information is available. Many "ps" output formats need
grouping, and it is desirable for many more.

I might as well mention that whole-process information
includes the four fault counters and some indication
that wchan data is multi-valued (a '*' must be displayed
in that case). There may be more I haven't spotted yet.

Note that the recent /proc/*/wchan addition was botched.
Caching is prevented due to race conditions. This could
be fixed by changing the file format to contain:
    number, function name
with optional:
    function address, file name, module name
(next time, discuss such changes with an experienced
procps developer first)



  reply	other threads:[~2003-02-22 20:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-02-20 16:33 [patch] procfs/procps threading performance speedup, 2.5.62 Ingo Molnar
2003-02-20 16:47 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2003-02-20 16:55   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2003-02-20 17:00 ` Nikita Danilov
2003-02-20 17:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-20 17:14   ` Ingo Molnar
2003-02-20 17:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-21  7:38       ` Oliver Xymoron
2003-02-20 17:23     ` Ingo Molnar
2003-02-22 20:52       ` Albert Cahalan [this message]
2003-02-22 21:55         ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-22 23:04           ` Albert Cahalan
2003-02-23 18:49         ` Ingo Molnar
2003-02-23 21:51           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2003-02-24  9:28             ` Ingo Molnar
2003-02-24 11:12               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2003-02-24 11:26                 ` Ingo Molnar
2003-02-24 12:29                   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2003-02-24 12:41                     ` Ingo Molnar
2003-02-24 12:45                     ` Ingo Molnar
2003-02-24 12:52                     ` Ingo Molnar
2003-02-24  9:38             ` Ingo Molnar
2003-02-24 12:13               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2003-02-20 17:28     ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-20 17:30       ` Ingo Molnar
2003-02-20 17:48       ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-20 17:20   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-20 19:13     ` Daniel Jacobowitz

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