From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263124AbTDXLvK (ORCPT ); Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:51:10 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263497AbTDXLvK (ORCPT ); Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:51:10 -0400 Received: from pointblue.com.pl ([62.89.73.6]:38929 "EHLO pointblue.com.pl") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263124AbTDXLvI (ORCPT ); Thu, 24 Apr 2003 07:51:08 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.5.68-bk1 crash in devfs_remove() for defpts files From: Grzegorz Jaskiewicz To: Martin Schlemmer Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List In-Reply-To: <1051184807.3604.2642.camel@workshop.saharact.lan> References: <20030421195555.A28583@lst.de> <20030421195847.A28684@lst.de> <20030421210020.A29421@lst.de> <20030421215637.A30019@lst.de> <1050957875.1224.2.camel@flat41> <1051169958.3604.2619.camel@workshop.saharact.lan> <1051171042.1104.11.camel@flat41> <1051184807.3604.2642.camel@workshop.saharact.lan> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: K4 Labs Message-Id: <1051185785.776.3.camel@gregs> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 24 Apr 2003 13:03:05 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 2003-04-24 at 12:46, Martin Schlemmer wrote: > On Thu, 2003-04-24 at 09:57, Grzegorz Jaskiewicz wrote: > > > Well, if you will read my post - i am trying to use _ONLY_ devfs, > > without any demons. > > Ok, missed that. > > > Those demons are provided just to keep backward > > compatbility (at least this is my opinion) and can be used without them. > > > > Well, not really. Yes, it does support the compat symlinks, etc, but > you can do much more with devfsd than just that. Setting the > permissions/ownership on node registration, autoloading of modules > if a node is accessed, etc is just a few. Well, we don't need that - all we need is just file with settings cat-ed to some /proc entry or script that sets up perms on boot/hotplug events. > > > i don't like personaly any ideas about udevfs and others. We should get > > rid of min/maj nr of each device becouse each single program uses device > > by name indeed ! Having just devfs solves many problems and is very good > > thing. But, again - without any userspace demons. > > > > See above. > > > Linus was always trying kernel as simple as it is possible, well - imho > > devfs is just one step forward to make it even simpler but without > > removing any of it functionality. > > > > I guess you could see the management of devfs being done in userspace > (devfsd) as keeping kernel side simple :P Well, my point is - why i should install tons of userspace programs while everything can be/should be done internaly - becouse those demons are very close to kernel ! And it is pointles, kernel should be able to do everything required to be fully working by its self - not relay on some userspace shit. -- Grzegorz Jaskiewicz K4 Labs