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From: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
To: Robert White <rwhite@casabyte.com>
Cc: Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
	Marc-Christian Petersen <m.c.p@wolk-project.de>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	Georg Nikodym <georgn@somanetworks.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Matthias Mueller <matthias.mueller@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>
Subject: RE: [PATCH] io stalls
Date: 09 Jun 2003 22:13:07 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1055211186.23126.422.camel@tiny.suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PEEPIDHAKMCGHDBJLHKGKEACCPAA.rwhite@casabyte.com>

On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 21:48, Robert White wrote:
> From: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org
> [mailto:linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org]On Behalf Of Nick Piggin
> 
> > Chris Mason wrote:
> 
> > >The major difference from Nick's patch is that once the queue is marked
> > >full, I don't clear the full flag until the wait queue is empty.  This
> > >means new io can't steal available requests until every existing waiter
> > >has been granted a request.
> 
> > Yes, this is probably a good idea.
> 
> 
> Err... wouldn't this subvert the spirit, if not the warrant, of real time
> scheduling and time-critical applications?
> 

[ lots of interesting points ]

Heh, I didn't really make my goals for the patch clear.  They go:

1) quantify the stalls people are seeing with real numbers so we can
point at a section of code causing bad performance.

2) Provide a somewhat obvious patch that makes the current
__get_request_wait call significantly more fair, in hopes of either
blaming it for the stalls or removing it from the list of candidates

3) fix the stalls

Most of your suggestions are 2.5 discussion material, where real
experimental work is going on.  The 2.4 io request wait queue isn't
working on priorities, the current one tries to be fair to everyone and
provide good throughput to everyone at the same time.  It's failing on
at least one of those, and until we can fix that I don't even want to
think about more complex issues.

Current users of the vanilla 2.4 tree will hopefully benefit from a
lower latency io request wait queue. The next best thing to real time is
a consistently small wait, which is what my patch is trying for.

-chris



  reply	other threads:[~2003-06-10  2:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-29  0:55 Linux 2.4.21-rc6 Marcelo Tosatti
2003-05-29  1:22 ` Con Kolivas
2003-05-29  5:24   ` Marc Wilson
2003-05-29  5:34     ` Riley Williams
2003-05-29  5:57       ` Marc Wilson
2003-05-29  7:15         ` Riley Williams
2003-05-29  8:38         ` Willy Tarreau
2003-05-29  8:40           ` Willy Tarreau
2003-06-03 16:02         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-06-03 16:13           ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-04 21:54             ` Pavel Machek
2003-06-05  2:10               ` Michael Frank
2003-06-03 16:30           ` Michael Frank
2003-06-03 16:53             ` Matthias Mueller
2003-06-03 16:59             ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-03 17:03               ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-03 18:02                 ` Anders Karlsson
2003-06-03 21:12                   ` J.A. Magallon
2003-06-03 21:18                     ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-03 17:23               ` Michael Frank
2003-06-04 14:56             ` Jakob Oestergaard
2003-06-04  4:04           ` Marc Wilson
2003-05-29 10:02 ` Con Kolivas
2003-05-29 18:00 ` Georg Nikodym
2003-05-29 19:11   ` -rc7 " Marcelo Tosatti
2003-05-29 19:56     ` Krzysiek Taraszka
2003-05-29 20:18       ` Krzysiek Taraszka
2003-06-04 18:17         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2003-06-04 21:41           ` Krzysiek Taraszka
2003-06-04 22:37             ` Alan Cox
2003-06-04 10:22     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-04 10:35       ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-04 10:42         ` Jens Axboe
2003-06-04 10:46           ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-04 10:48             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-04 11:57               ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-04 12:00                 ` Jens Axboe
2003-06-04 12:09                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-04 12:20                     ` Jens Axboe
2003-06-04 20:50                       ` Rob Landley
2003-06-04 12:11                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-04 12:35                 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2003-06-09 21:39                 ` [PATCH] io stalls (was: -rc7 Re: Linux 2.4.21-rc6) Chris Mason
2003-06-09 22:19                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-10  0:27                     ` Chris Mason
2003-06-10 23:13                     ` Chris Mason
2003-06-11  0:16                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-11  0:44                         ` Chris Mason
2003-06-09 23:51                   ` [PATCH] io stalls Nick Piggin
2003-06-10  0:32                     ` Chris Mason
2003-06-10  0:47                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-10  1:48                     ` Robert White
2003-06-10  2:13                       ` Chris Mason [this message]
2003-06-10 23:04                         ` Robert White
2003-06-11  0:58                           ` Chris Mason
2003-06-10  3:22                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-10 21:17                         ` Robert White
2003-06-11  0:40                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-11  0:33                   ` [PATCH] io stalls (was: -rc7 Re: Linux 2.4.21-rc6) Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-11  0:48                     ` [PATCH] io stalls Nick Piggin
2003-06-11  1:07                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-11  0:54                     ` [PATCH] io stalls (was: -rc7 Re: Linux 2.4.21-rc6) Chris Mason
2003-06-11  1:06                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-11  1:57                         ` Chris Mason
2003-06-11  2:10                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-11 12:24                             ` Chris Mason
2003-06-11 17:42                             ` Chris Mason
2003-06-11 18:12                               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-11 18:27                                 ` Chris Mason
2003-06-11 18:35                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  1:04                                     ` [PATCH] io stalls Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  1:12                                       ` Chris Mason
2003-06-12  1:29                                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  1:37                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  2:22                                         ` Chris Mason
2003-06-12  2:41                                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  2:46                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  2:49                                               ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  2:51                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  2:52                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  3:04                                                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  2:58                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  3:04                                                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  3:12                                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  3:20                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  3:33                                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  3:48                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12  4:17                                                             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-12  4:41                                                               ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-12 16:06                                                         ` Chris Mason
2003-06-12 16:16                                                           ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-25 19:03                                               ` Chris Mason
2003-06-25 19:25                                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-25 20:18                                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-06-27  8:41                                                     ` write-caches, I/O stalls: MUST-FIX (was: [PATCH] io stalls) Matthias Andree
2003-06-26  5:48                                                 ` [PATCH] io stalls Nick Piggin
2003-06-26 11:48                                                   ` Chris Mason
2003-06-26 13:04                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-26 13:18                                                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-26 15:55                                                       ` Chris Mason
2003-06-27  1:21                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-27  1:39                                                           ` Chris Mason
2003-06-27  9:45                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-06-27 12:41                                                               ` Chris Mason
2003-06-12 11:57                                             ` Chris Mason
2003-06-04 10:43         ` -rc7 Re: Linux 2.4.21-rc6 Andrea Arcangeli
2003-06-04 11:01           ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2003-06-03 19:45 ` Config issue (CONFIG_X86_TSC) " Paul
2003-06-03 20:18   ` Jan-Benedict Glaw

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