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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>
Subject: Re: Page aging broken in 2.6
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 11:44:59 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1072485899.15456.96.camel@gaston> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0312261626260.14874@home.osdl.org>

On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 11:35, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > 
> > Or do what I propose here, that is have ptep_test_and_clear_* be
> > responsible for the flush on archs where it is necessary, but then
> > it would be nice to have more than the ptep as an argument...
> 
> The dirty handling already does the TLB flush (in that case it's a 
> correctness issue, not a hint). So it's only ptep_test_and_clear_young() 
> that matters.

Yes, but it would be possible to optimize it some way on our
beloved hash tables ;) (By marking the entry read-only in the
hash instead of evicting it). Maybe not worth the pain though...

> I don't know whather that ever ends up being performance-critical, and I
> don't see what else could be passed into it. We literally don't _have_
> anythign else than the pte.

Ok, figured that out.

> But the ppc architecture could easily decide to walk the hash tables and
> invalidate in ptep_test_and_clear_young(). And if it ends up being a
> performance issue, it _appears_ that all users of "page_referenced()" 
> (which is the only thing that does this) are actually using the return 
> value as just a boolean. And it's entirely possible that we should break 
> out of "page_referenced()" on the _first_ hit of "yes, this has been 
> referenced".

Except that we may expect all "referencing" PTEs to have the accessed
bit cleared, no ? Or if we have lots of users we'll end up getting lots
of positive results while after the page was actually referenced... I
don't know if this would be a real problem though.

> That would make it much less CPU-intensive to make
> "ptep_test_and_clear_young()" slightly heavier to execute. It would also 
> cause "page_referenced()" to not clear _all_ mapped reference bits at the 
> same time - which might unfairly cause multi-used pages to stay in memory. 
> On the other hand, that might be the _right_ behaviour.
> 
> Rik? Andrea? 
> 
> Worth testing, perhaps.

Ok, right now, Anton is testing a patch from paulus where we do our
own flush batching and do the flush inside ptep_test_and_clear_* That
will at least fix the problem for us now.

Ben.



  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-27  0:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-26  7:28 Page aging broken in 2.6 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-26  7:40 ` Andrew Morton
2003-12-26  9:21   ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-12-26  9:58     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-26 19:44     ` Davide Libenzi
2003-12-26  9:33   ` Russell King
2003-12-26 10:07     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-26 17:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-26 23:55   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-27  0:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-27  0:44       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2003-12-27  0:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-27  0:59           ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-27  1:03           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-27  2:37             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-12-27  5:02               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2003-12-27 10:16               ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-27  2:47           ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-27  3:00             ` Andrew Morton
2003-12-27  3:31               ` Rik van Riel
2003-12-27  3:54               ` Linus Torvalds
2003-12-27 16:34                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-12-27 23:07               ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-27 23:55                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-28 11:23                   ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-28 16:35                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-28 17:15                       ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-28  0:04                 ` Andrew Morton
2003-12-28 11:58                   ` Roger Luethi
2003-12-27  1:41       ` Andrea Arcangeli
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2003-12-26 10:45 Manfred Spraul

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