From: Tom Sightler <ttsig@tuxyturvy.com>
To: Marc Boucher <marc@linuxant.com>
Cc: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
pmarques@grupopie.com,
lkml - Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
malda@slashdot.org, c-d.hailfinger.kernel.2004@gmx.net,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
jon787@tesla.resnet.mtu.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 10:03:50 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1083161029.3788.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1EF114FF-98C4-11D8-85DF-000A95BCAC26@linuxant.com>
On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 23:28, Marc Boucher wrote:
> We generally prefer to focus on making stuff work for users,
> rather than waste time arguing about controversial GPL politics.
Well, as one of your customers (I am a paid/licensed user of your
Conexant modem drivers for my Dell D800) I am completely turned off by
this. I use a myriad of different binary drivers on various Linux
systems, things like the NVidia binary driver, EMC PowerPath, VMware
binary module, etc. EMC PowerPath compares well to your example as it
consist of multiple modules and each one spits out a message. EMC
simply used their documentation to tell the user that these messages
means that the kernel can no longer be supported by the Linux community,
however, they can be safely ignored.
> I would like however to point out that part of the reason why people
> sometimes resort to such kludges is that some kernel maintainers have
> been rather reluctant to accommodate proprietary drivers which
> unfortunately are a necessary real-world evil
In my opinion your actions also represent a real-world evil. As a user
I'm reluctant to use proprietary drivers and certainly don't expect the ones
that I am forced to used to lie about that fact and try to pretend to be GPL
when they are not. After reading this I realized that I myself have probably
reported kernel BUG's while your drivers were loaded, not realizing that my
kernel was really tainted because it didn't report that fact. Who knows how
many other users may have done the same thing?
You seem to think that acceptance of Linux is somehow more important that the
GPL. In my opinion it's exactly the opposite, acceptance and recognition of
the the importance of the GPL and the rights it gives you is more important
than the acceptance of Linux. If the "real-world" forces you to do something
that gives up those rights (loading a binary module) the kernel should definitely
make the user aware.
Later,
Tom
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-04-28 14:08 UTC|newest]
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2004-04-27 13:43 [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Albert Cahalan
2004-04-27 16:18 ` Jon
2004-04-27 16:58 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:25 ` Adam Jaskiewicz
2004-04-27 17:33 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 17:46 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 17:53 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:10 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:37 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-27 20:44 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 18:54 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-27 19:03 ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 19:16 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-04-27 19:41 ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-27 20:18 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 11:23 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 18:10 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-27 18:30 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-27 20:40 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 0:08 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 19:54 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-28 11:28 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-27 23:12 ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28 0:02 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 0:25 ` David Gibson
2004-04-28 1:14 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 3:23 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28 6:04 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 17:05 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-28 17:37 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:31 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:46 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 0:02 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 0:40 ` Nick Piggin
2004-04-29 2:20 ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29 2:31 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 2:36 ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29 2:38 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 2:47 ` Ian Stirling
2004-04-29 2:47 ` Kenneth Aafløy
2004-04-29 22:47 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-30 15:57 ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-29 15:15 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 15:14 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-29 21:00 ` Paul Wagland
2004-04-29 21:36 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:45 ` viro
2004-04-29 21:47 ` Jorge Bernal (Koke)
2004-04-29 22:24 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:32 ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-29 22:49 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:40 ` viro
2004-04-29 23:55 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 2:15 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 4:18 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 4:32 ` Peter Williams
2004-04-30 14:49 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 16:10 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:01 ` Jesse Pollard
2004-04-30 4:43 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 5:44 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 6:13 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 8:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-04-30 8:48 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 15:06 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-30 15:43 ` Chris Friesen
2004-04-30 16:10 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 16:30 ` Chris Friesen
2004-05-10 6:25 ` Rogier Wolff
2004-05-10 7:08 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-30 16:31 ` Gilles May
2004-04-30 16:50 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:44 ` Michael Poole
2004-04-30 18:46 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 19:17 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:26 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:52 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 18:22 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 18:01 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 8:47 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-30 9:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 15:57 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 17:14 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 17:46 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 18:27 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 11:49 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-30 16:20 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 21:03 ` Gene Heskett
2004-04-30 9:16 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-28 23:43 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-28 1:57 ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-28 3:28 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 11:47 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 16:15 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 19:32 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 19:41 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:41 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-04-29 23:03 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 13:06 ` Helge Hafting
2004-04-28 14:03 ` Tom Sightler [this message]
2004-04-28 16:40 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-28 22:08 ` Stephen Hemminger
2004-04-28 23:00 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-28 23:54 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 23:17 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-28 2:10 ` Horst von Brand
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2004-04-30 20:02 Keith D Burgess Jr
[not found] <009701c42edf$25e47390$ca41cb3f@amer.cisco.com>
2004-04-30 19:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 19:37 ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 20:11 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:26 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:39 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 20:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 20:53 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-30 21:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-30 21:10 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 20:46 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-04-30 20:34 ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-05-01 0:40 ` Jorge Bernal
2004-05-01 5:07 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 19:12 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-01 19:27 ` Davide Libenzi
2004-05-01 19:32 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-05-01 19:33 ` Sean Estabrooks
2004-05-01 22:14 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-05-01 19:47 ` Nicolas Pitre
2004-05-01 20:47 ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-05-01 20:58 ` Marc Boucher
2004-05-03 0:04 ` Horst von Brand
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2004-04-30 18:58 ` Hua Zhong
2004-04-30 20:14 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-04-30 17:47 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-30 18:39 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 19:37 ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-04-30 20:37 ` Horst von Brand
2004-04-29 14:55 Rick Zeman
2004-04-28 18:56 Keith D Burgess Jr
2004-04-28 23:45 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-30 22:48 ` David Woodhouse
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2004-04-28 1:33 ` Robert M. Stockmann
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2004-04-28 0:18 ` Robert M. Stockmann
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2004-04-27 22:59 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-27 23:05 ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-27 23:30 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-04-27 23:41 ` Tim Hockin
2004-04-27 23:59 ` Robert M. Stockmann
2004-05-01 9:19 ` Tomas Szepe
2004-04-27 22:17 Nick Warne
2004-04-27 21:34 Robert M. Stockmann
2004-05-01 9:15 ` Tomas Szepe
2004-04-27 19:03 Steve Lee
2004-04-27 19:37 ` Tigran Aivazian
2004-04-27 2:09 Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 3:13 ` Gilles May
2004-04-27 4:42 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-04-27 9:58 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 4:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-04-27 6:04 ` Rusty Russell
2004-04-27 9:21 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 10:37 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-27 12:59 ` Paulo Marques
2004-04-27 13:12 ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license (-> possible GPL violation :) Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-04-27 14:10 ` Tim Connors
2004-04-27 17:05 ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Juergen E. Fischer
2004-04-27 18:58 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-28 22:55 ` Timothy Miller
[not found] ` <fa.f05evul.1qmg8gd@ifi.uio.no>
2004-04-27 21:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2004-04-27 21:33 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-04-28 23:24 ` Rik van Riel
2004-04-27 18:52 ` Pavel Machek
2004-04-27 5:26 ` Willy Tarreau
2004-04-27 7:03 ` Grzegorz Piotr Jaskiewicz
2004-04-29 18:40 ` [hsflinux] " Giuliano Colla
2004-04-29 19:08 ` viro
2004-04-29 19:29 ` Måns Rullgård
2004-04-29 20:24 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 21:32 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 22:12 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-29 22:20 ` Marc Boucher
2004-04-29 23:01 ` Timothy Miller
2004-04-30 6:01 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-04-30 9:33 ` Symbios and BIOS (was: Re: [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license) Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-04-30 11:07 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-06 15:06 ` [PATCH] Blacklist binary-only modules lying about their license Pavel Machek
2004-04-29 21:10 ` [hsflinux] " Linus Torvalds
2004-04-29 21:44 ` viro
2004-04-30 13:37 ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 14:14 ` Arthur Perry
2004-04-30 18:14 ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 15:55 ` Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
2004-04-30 19:27 ` Giuliano Colla
2004-04-30 20:29 ` Timothy Miller
2004-05-02 8:40 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-05-02 22:26 ` Giuliano Colla
2004-05-03 1:21 ` David Lang
2004-05-04 17:27 ` Timothy Miller
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