From: Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: alexeyk@mysql.com, nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au, peter@mysql.com,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, axboe@suse.de
Subject: Re: Random file I/O regressions in 2.6
Date: 10 May 2004 15:39:28 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1084228767.6140.832.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040510132151.238b8d0c.akpm@osdl.org>
On Mon, 2004-05-10 at 13:21, Andrew Morton wrote:
> Ram Pai <linuxram@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ram, can you take a look at fixing that up please? Something clean, not
> > > more hacks ;) I'd also be interested in an explanation of what the extra
> > > page is for. The little comment in there doesn't really help.
> >
> >
> > The reason for the extra page read is as follows:
> >
> > Consider 16k random reads i/os. Reads are generated 4pages at a time.
> >
> > the readahead is triggered when the 4th page in the 'current-window' is
> > touched.
>
> Right. We've added two whole unsigned longs to the file_struct to track
> the access patterns. That should be sufficient for us to detect when the
> access pattern is random, and to then not perform readahead due to a
> current-window miss *at all*.
>
> So that extra page can go away, and:
>
> --- 25/mm/readahead.c~a Mon May 10 13:16:59 2004
> +++ 25-akpm/mm/readahead.c Mon May 10 13:17:22 2004
> @@ -492,21 +492,17 @@ do_io:
> */
> if (ra->ahead_start == 0) {
> /*
> - * if the average io-size is less than maximum
> + * If the average io-size is less than maximum
> * readahead size of the file the io pattern is
> * sequential. Hence bring in the readahead window
> * immediately.
> - * Else the i/o pattern is random. Bring
> - * in the readahead window only if the last page of
> - * the current window is accessed (lazy readahead).
> */
> unsigned long average = ra->average;
>
> if (ra->serial_cnt > average)
> average = (ra->serial_cnt + ra->average) / 2;
>
> - if ((average >= max) || (offset == (ra->start +
> - ra->size - 1))) {
> + if (average >= max) {
> ra->ahead_start = ra->start + ra->size;
> ra->ahead_size = ra->next_size;
> actual = do_page_cache_readahead(mapping, filp,
>
> _
>
>
> That way, we read the correct amount of data, and we only start I/O when we
> know the application is going to actually use the data.
>
> This may cause problems when the application transitions from seeky-access
> to linear-access.
>
> Does it sound feasible?
I am nervous about this change. You are totally getting rid of
lazy-readahead and that was the optimization which gave the best
possible boost in performance.
Let me see how this patch does with a DSS benchmark.
>
> >
> > Probably we may see marginal degradation of this optimization with 16k
> > i/o but the amount of wastage avoided by this optimization (hack)
> > is great when random i/o is of larger size. I think it was 4% better
> > performance on DSS workload with 64k random reads.
>
> 64k sounds unusually large. We need top performance at 8k too.
>
> > Do you still think its a hack?
>
> yup ;)
>
:-(
> > Also I think with sysbench workload and Andrew's ra-copy patch, we
> > might be loosing some benefits of some of the optimization because
> > if two threads simulteously work with copies of the same ra structure
> > and update it, the optimization effect reflected in one of the
> > ra-structure is lost depending on which ra structure gets copied back
> > last.
>
> hm, maybe. That only makes a difference if two threads are accessing the
> same fd at the same time, and it was really bad before the patch. The IO
> patterns seemed OK to me with the patch. Except it's reading one page too
> many.
In the normal large random workload this extra page would have
compesated for all the wasted readaheads. However in the case of
sysbench with Andrew's ra-copy patch the readahead calculation is not
happening quiet right. Is it worth trying to get a marginal gain
with sysbench at the cost of getting a big hit on DSS benchmarks,
aio-tests,iozone and probably others. Or am I making an unsubstantiated
claim? I will get back with results.
RP
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-05-10 22:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-05-02 19:57 Random file I/O regressions in 2.6 Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-03 11:14 ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-03 18:08 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-03 20:22 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-03 20:57 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-03 21:37 ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-05-03 21:50 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-03 22:01 ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-05-03 21:59 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-03 22:07 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-03 23:58 ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-04 0:10 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-04 0:19 ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-04 0:50 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-04 6:29 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-04 15:03 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-04 19:39 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-04 19:48 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-04 19:58 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-04 21:51 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-04 22:29 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-04 23:01 ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-04 23:20 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-05 22:04 ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-06 8:43 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-06 18:13 ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-05-06 21:49 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-06 23:49 ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-07 1:29 ` Peter Zaitsev
2004-05-10 19:50 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-10 20:21 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-10 22:39 ` Ram Pai [this message]
2004-05-10 23:07 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-11 20:51 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-11 21:17 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-13 20:41 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-17 17:30 ` Random file I/O regressions in 2.6 [patch+results] Ram Pai
2004-05-20 1:06 ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-20 1:31 ` Ram Pai
2004-05-21 19:32 ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-20 5:49 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-20 21:59 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-20 22:23 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-21 7:31 ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-21 7:50 ` Jens Axboe
2004-05-21 8:40 ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-21 8:56 ` Spam: " Andrew Morton
2004-05-21 22:24 ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-21 21:13 ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-26 4:43 ` Alexey Kopytov
2004-05-11 22:26 ` Random file I/O regressions in 2.6 Bill Davidsen
2004-05-04 1:15 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-04 11:39 ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-04 8:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-05-04 8:47 ` Andrew Morton
2004-05-04 8:50 ` Arjan van de Ven
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