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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: Michael Jeanson <mjeanson@efficios.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>, Yonghong Song <yhs@fb.com>,
	paulmck <paulmck@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	acme <acme@kernel.org>, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>, Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	"Joel Fernandes, Google" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/6] tracing: introduce sleepable tracepoints
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:36:37 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1087071545.17266.1613072197171.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201028212350.jj4mbnbk6hdcbymo@ast-mbp.dhcp.thefacebook.com>

----- On Oct 28, 2020, at 5:23 PM, Alexei Starovoitov alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 09:37:08AM -0400, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> 
>> ----- On Oct 26, 2020, at 6:43 PM, Alexei Starovoitov
>> alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 03:53:47PM -0400, Michael Jeanson wrote:
>> >> -#define __DO_TRACE(tp, proto, args, cond, rcuidle)			\
>> >> +#define __DO_TRACE(tp, proto, args, cond, rcuidle, tp_flags)		\
>> >>  	do {								\
>> >>  		struct tracepoint_func *it_func_ptr;			\
>> >>  		void *it_func;						\
>> >>  		void *__data;						\
>> >>  		int __maybe_unused __idx = 0;				\
>> >> +		bool maysleep = (tp_flags) & TRACEPOINT_MAYSLEEP;	\
>> >>  									\
>> >>  		if (!(cond))						\
>> >>  			return;						\
>> >> @@ -170,8 +178,13 @@ static inline struct tracepoint
>> >> *tracepoint_ptr_deref(tracepoint_ptr_t *p)
>> >>  		/* srcu can't be used from NMI */			\
>> >>  		WARN_ON_ONCE(rcuidle && in_nmi());			\
>> >>  									\
>> >> -		/* keep srcu and sched-rcu usage consistent */		\
>> >> -		preempt_disable_notrace();				\
>> >> +		if (maysleep) {						\
>> >> +			might_sleep();					\
>> > 
>> > The main purpose of the patch set is to access user memory in tracepoints,
>> > right?
>> 
>> Yes, exactly.
>> 
>> > In such case I suggest to use stronger might_fault() here.
>> > We used might_sleep() in sleepable bpf and it wasn't enough to catch
>> > a combination where sleepable hook was invoked while mm->mmap_lock was
>> > taken which may cause a deadlock.
>> 
>> Good point! We will do that for the next round.
>> 
>> By the way, we named this "sleepable" tracepoint (with flag
>> TRACEPOINT_MAYSLEEP),
>> but we are open to a better name. Would TRACEPOINT_MAYFAULT be more descriptive
>> ?
>> (a "faultable" tracepoint sounds weird though)
> 
> bpf kept 'sleepable' as a name. 'faultable' is too misleading.

We're working on an updated patchset for those "sleepable tracepoints", and considering
that those are really "tracepoints allowing page faults", I must admit that I am
uncomfortable with the confusion between "sleep" and "fault" in the naming here.

I am tempted to do the following changes:

- Change name from "sleepable tracepoints" to a better suited "tracepoints allowing page faults",
- Use might_fault() rather than might_sleep() in __DO_TRACE(), effectively guaranteeing that all
  probes connecting to a tracepoint which allows page faults can indeed take page faults.
- Change TRACEPOINT_MAYSLEEP into TRACEPOINT_MAYFAULT.

Any objections ?

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-11 19:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-23 19:53 [RFC PATCH 0/6] Sleepable tracepoints Michael Jeanson
2020-10-23 19:53 ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] tracing: introduce sleepable tracepoints Michael Jeanson
2020-10-26 22:43   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2020-10-27 13:37     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-10-28 21:23       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2021-02-11 19:36         ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2020-11-02 18:51       ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-23 19:53 ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] tracing: ftrace: add support for " Michael Jeanson
2020-10-23 19:53 ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] tracing: bpf-trace: " Michael Jeanson
2020-10-23 19:53 ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] tracing: perf: " Michael Jeanson
2020-10-23 19:53 ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] tracing: convert sys_enter/exit to " Michael Jeanson
2020-10-23 19:53 ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] tracing: use sched-RCU instead of SRCU for rcuidle tracepoints Michael Jeanson
2020-10-23 21:13   ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-26  8:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-26 14:28       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-10-26 20:44         ` Steven Rostedt
2020-10-27 13:57           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2020-11-02 18:43         ` Joel Fernandes
2020-10-26 12:05 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] Sleepable tracepoints peter enderborg
2020-10-26 14:59   ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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