From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261724AbUGXSBN (ORCPT ); Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:01:13 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261857AbUGXSBN (ORCPT ); Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:01:13 -0400 Received: from mustang.oldcity.dca.net ([216.158.38.3]:64457 "HELO mustang.oldcity.dca.net") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S261724AbUGXSBJ (ORCPT ); Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:01:09 -0400 Subject: Re: [FC1], 2.6.8-rc2 kernel, new motherboard problems From: Lee Revell To: Carl-Daniel Hailfinger Cc: Gene Heskett , linux-kernel In-Reply-To: <4102530C.8060604@gmx.net> References: <200407240158.56434.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <1090649207.1006.12.camel@mindpipe> <200407240520.31906.gene.heskett@verizon.net> <4102530C.8060604@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1090692070.845.9.camel@mindpipe> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2004 14:01:10 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 2004-07-24 at 08:16, Carl-Daniel Hailfinger wrote: > Gene Heskett schrieb: > > > On Saturday 24 July 2004 02:06, Lee Revell wrote: > >>>>Wow, nVidia won't release the specs for a *10/100 ethernet > >>>>controller*? Having to reverse engineer a network driver is > >>>>ridiculous in this day and age. I can understand binary-only > >>>>graphics drivers, there is a lot of valuable IP in there, but > >>>>this is a freaking network card. What do they expect people to > >>>>do? > >>>> > >>>>Maybe some bad press would set them straight. > >>>> > >>>>Lee > > Could you please check the facts (or ask the driver authors) before > suggesting to haunt NVidia with bad press? Thanks. > All the facts I needed to know were in the original post. You had to reverse engineer a network driver because Nvidia would not release specs. We should not be having to reverse engineer a 10/100 ethernet controller in 2004. The Linux community should make noise when vendors do this. > > I'm under the impression the forcedeth writers did have access to this > > data. Is this incorrect? The question is directed at the forcedeth > > authors. If you are one, then please clarify. > > I am one of the authors. We did not have any information in the first > place, but now that our reverse engineered driver works well, NVidia > contributed bugfixes and gigabit support to our driver. This is pretty shoddy on their part. Like I said, I can understand not wanting to release the specs for their GFX cards, but a freaking 10/100 ethernet controller is ridiculous. Lee