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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@cpushare.com>
Cc: chris@scary.beasts.org, Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: secure computing for 2.6.7
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 00:08:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1091401677.31405.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040801231047.GI6295@dualathlon.random>

On Llu, 2004-08-02 at 00:10, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 01, 2004 at 09:45:14PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> > You can already do all of this using several user space applications
> > that manage it via ptrace. They do have a performance hit however.
> 
> the tracer can be killed by oom due some other random app in the
> machine, plus SIGCHLD may confuse the tracer, then it needs to know
> about arch details again (like the bitmap), and the whole ptrace
> infastructure is a lot more complicate and in turn less secure. syscall
> performance is the last worry (at least for my usage).

syscall performance is something the other 99.99% of users not using the
feature will care about however. 

One of the things that you can sensibly do I think which will also avoid
a performance hit is to use the same kernel path as strace and friends
do for syscall tracing but capture and verify the syscall in kernel mode
rather than trapping back out. That will at least keep the usual fast
path unharmed by the security toys.



  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-02  0:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-07-04 17:39 secure computing for 2.6.7 andrea
2004-07-04 21:35 ` Andrew Morton
2004-07-04 23:32   ` andrea
2004-07-05  0:37     ` Phy Prabab
2004-10-12 14:24   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-12 15:32     ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-12 15:59       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-12 16:28         ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-12 17:46           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-12 18:04             ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-12 18:10             ` Rik van Riel
2004-10-12 18:29               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-07-07 19:27 ` Hans Reiser
2004-08-01 10:22   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-01 12:01     ` chris
2004-08-01 15:01       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-01 17:29         ` chris
2004-08-01 18:52           ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-08-01 20:45           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-01 23:10             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-01 23:08               ` Alan Cox [this message]
2004-08-02 10:25                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-01 23:06           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-02  6:52             ` David Wagner
2004-08-03 12:48         ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-01 14:55     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-08-01 15:51       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-01 17:24         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-08-02  3:17         ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-02 16:31           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-03 12:40   ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-03 21:02     ` Alexander Lyamin
2004-08-05 11:47       ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-04  8:57     ` Hans Reiser
2004-08-05 11:48       ` Stephen Smalley
2004-08-07 23:20     ` Hans Reiser
2004-08-09 12:35       ` Stephen Smalley
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     [not found] ` <2fqhq-1RU-45@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]   ` <2olLt-4wI-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-08-02  0:05     ` Andi Kleen
2004-08-02 10:19       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-02 19:06         ` Rik van Riel
2004-08-02 21:35           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-08-04 13:18       ` V13

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