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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Dave Jones <davej@redhat.com>
Cc: Ian Romanick <idr@us.ibm.com>, Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@yahoo.com>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
	"DRI developer's list" <dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: DRM code reorganization
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 19:16:59 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1091470615.857.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040802185746.GA12724@redhat.com>

On Llu, 2004-08-02 at 19:57, Dave Jones wrote:
>  > The problem is that each driver has different needs based on hardware 
>  > functionality.
> 
> How does this differ from any other subsystem that supports
> cards with features that may not be present in another model ?
> Other subsystems have dealt with this problem without the need
> to introduce horrors like the abstractions in DRM.

The abstractions are one big mistake IMHO. But in context their origin
is easy to understand. The original goal was to support a lot of
platforms and to minimise code writing. The Mesa layer uses this kind of
templating a lot and for the 3D client side code its a real win.

Someone I think took them a stage too far and into a place that it
didn't work out.

The memory manager is a bit more complex, a lot of drivers do have
different needs for memory management and some of it has to be client
side. Its also a really really hot path when doing direct render.

>  > AFAIK, the only drivers that have any sort of in-kernel memory manager 
>  > are the radeon (only used by the R200 driver) and i830.
> 
> ISTR SiS has some memory management code too, though I've not looked
> too closely at that for a long time.

SiS and VIA do as well. Both of them overdo the kernel side work and it
hurts performance however.

Alan


  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-02 19:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-02 15:53 DRM code reorganization Jon Smirl
2004-08-02 18:02 ` Ian Romanick
2004-08-02 18:27   ` Keith Whitwell
2004-08-02 18:57   ` Dave Jones
2004-08-02 18:16     ` Alan Cox [this message]
2004-08-02 20:11     ` Ian Romanick
2004-08-02 20:42       ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-02 21:09         ` Dave Jones
2004-08-02 21:51           ` Michel Dänzer
2004-08-02 23:09           ` Jon Smirl
2004-08-02 23:24           ` Alan Cox
2004-08-02 20:45       ` Dave Jones
2004-08-02 23:53         ` Ian Romanick
2004-08-03  7:52           ` Keith Whitwell
2004-08-03 16:28             ` Ian Romanick
2004-08-03 16:49               ` Keith Whitwell
2004-08-03  0:06     ` Dave Airlie
2004-08-03  6:13     ` Eric Anholt
2004-08-02 23:48   ` Dave Airlie
2004-08-02 23:26     ` Alan Cox

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