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From: Gianni Tedesco <gianni@scaramanga.co.uk>
To: public@mikl.as
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux Incompatibility List
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 08:21:33 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1093418493.18600.10.camel@sherbert> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200408250159.20606.public@mikl.as>

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On Wed, 2004-08-25 at 01:59 -0400, Andrew Miklas wrote:
> I've been working with a few people to reverse engineer the drivers included 
> with the WAP54G 1.08.  We're about 50% done translating them back into C.  
> Once we're done, we plan to study the driver in order to write our own from 
> scratch, or ask someone else to cleanroom it.
> 
> However, it's likely that by the time we're done (if ever), the hardware will 
> be supplanted by something else.  We've learnt the hard way that reverse 
> engineering a 420K binary, and completing in a reasonable time isn't as easy 
> as it sounds.  :)  This is especially true when you can't simply make 
> everything public (out of copyright concerns) and do the project in a real 
> open source way.  

I agreee, reverse engineering machine code is not trivial, especially
with the tools currently available. However I don't think that the
difficulty is intrinsic. It is possible (though obviously not simple) to
wite software that is able to infer a great deal from machine code
automatically and produce pretty good decompilations.

Also I think that the pciproxy[0] technique currently offers a simpler
solution. Analyzing the data produced is more akin to reverse
engineering a network protocol than machine code. Reverse engineering
protocols is much less 'copyright sensitive' than decompiling machine
code and, I think, more easily shared.

Anyway, perhaps once I've had some time to make a little more progress
we would be able to compare some notes?

[0]. I should probably explain the technique. It basically involves
running supported operating systems under a PC emulator, and trapping
and logging i/o on the PCI bus.

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// Gianni Tedesco (gianni at scaramanga dot co dot uk)
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-08-25  7:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-08-21 19:41 Linux Incompatibility List David N. Welton
2004-08-21 20:16 ` Joseph Pingenot
2004-08-21 20:20   ` Wakko Warner
2004-08-21 20:31     ` Lee Revell
2004-08-21 20:51       ` Wakko Warner
2004-08-21 21:06         ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-21 21:11           ` Lee Revell
2004-08-21 21:16           ` Lee Revell
2004-08-22 14:30           ` Tonnerre
2004-08-22 14:45             ` Michael Buesch
2004-08-24 15:17             ` Jan-Benedict Glaw
2004-08-24 17:41               ` Michael Buesch
2004-08-21 21:18         ` Francois Romieu
2004-08-21 22:01           ` Wakko Warner
2004-08-21 23:53         ` Andrew Miklas
2004-08-23  3:54           ` Gianni Tedesco
2004-08-25  5:59             ` Andrew Miklas
2004-08-25  7:21               ` Gianni Tedesco [this message]
2004-08-29  1:42                 ` Andrew Miklas
2004-08-29  3:21                   ` Gianni Tedesco
2004-08-29 21:04                     ` Andrew Miklas
2004-08-22  5:29       ` Jonathan Bastien-Filiatrault
2004-08-22  1:56         ` James Courtier-Dutton
2004-08-22  6:36           ` Jonathan Bastien-Filiatrault
2004-08-22  4:15             ` Kyle Moffett
2004-08-22  5:58               ` Lee Revell
2004-08-22  8:05               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-08-22 12:07                 ` R. J. Wysocki
2004-08-22 12:32                   ` Gene Heskett
2004-08-24 21:30               ` Hamie
2004-08-22 15:25         ` Tonnerre
2004-08-22 11:10       ` Alan Cox
2004-08-22 12:42         ` Dave Jones
2004-08-23  6:31           ` Eric W. Biederman
2004-08-21 21:20     ` David N. Welton
2004-08-21 22:03       ` Wakko Warner
2004-08-22  0:18         ` Rutger Nijlunsing
2004-08-21 20:22   ` David N. Welton
2004-08-22 11:14 ` Alan Cox
2004-08-22 15:08   ` Joseph Pingenot
2004-08-22 20:48   ` David N. Welton
2004-08-22 20:45     ` Alan Cox
2004-08-23 20:45       ` cliff white
     [not found] ` <200408221045.29316.mbuesch@freenet.de>
2004-08-22 20:34   ` David N. Welton
2004-08-22 21:24     ` David N. Welton
2004-08-25  7:41 ` Helge Hafting
2004-08-25  7:49   ` David N. Welton
2004-08-31  7:28     ` Helge Hafting
2004-08-31 10:21       ` David N. Welton
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2004-08-22  4:19 linux
2004-08-22 13:05 ` Wakko Warner
2004-08-22 16:43   ` Horst von Brand
2004-08-22 22:42     ` Robin Rosenberg

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