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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
Cc: "Felix Kühling" <fxkuehl@gmx.de>,
	"DRI Devel" <dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: radeon-pre-2
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:04:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1094835846.17932.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9e47339104091010221f03ec06@mail.gmail.com>

On Gwe, 2004-09-10 at 18:22, Jon Smirl wrote:
> My "personal plan" has been posted for comment to all relevant email
> lists -- xorg, fbdev, dri, and lkml. All feedback that was received
> was addressed and incorporated. Various aspects of the plan were

Addressed and eliminated would be closer. The BSD folks don't want GPL
frame buffer code in there kernel, nobody needs a single nasty splat
where DRI and fbdev got hammered into one block of code by someone with
a glue gun.

> Plan as orginally posted to lkml:
> http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/8/2/111

None of which is about nailing all the code together. You just don't
need to do that kind of stuff, and it'll make it much harder to
maintain.

Now, think about what happens if you register a pci handler for
everything which is "Video" class (or VIDEO/VGA). Your one mini module
now claims every video object in the kernel with a couple of exceptions
you can hand list.

vga_class.c now owns all the video devices. It can keep a global list
and a sorted by vga router list as well as letting frame buffer drivers
and other code add heads of a device lists.

Add register/unregister functions in the same format to allow DRI and FB
(and any future layers) to find cards and you don't need to glue stuff
together at all. You can load dri, you can load fb drivers, you can load
both. You also require minimal kernel changes to the drivers.

That is what I keep telling you, that is what I've been fiddling with
but keep getting distracted from by immediate locking and other kernel
catastrophes.

===
If the kernel community is going to reject this plan please let me
know now so that I won't waste a year of my life writing the code for
it. If Linux wants to stay with a 1980's desktop that's fine; at least
Microsoft and Apple are innovating.

I see you've been taking lessons from Hans Reiser.

Alan


  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-10 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E3389AF2-0272-11D9-A8D1-000A95F07A7A@fs.ei.tum.de>
     [not found] ` <DA459966-02B9-11D9-A8D1-000A95F07A7A@fs.ei.tum.de>
     [not found]   ` <9e47339104090917353554a586@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409100209100.32064@skynet>
     [not found]       ` <9e47339104090919015b5b5a4d@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <20040910153135.4310c13a.felix@trabant>
     [not found]           ` <9e47339104091008115b821912@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <1094829278.17801.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]               ` <9e4733910409100937126dc0e7@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <1094832031.17883.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-09-10 17:22                   ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-10 17:04                     ` Alan Cox [this message]
2004-09-10 18:40                       ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-10 22:19                         ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-10 22:00                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-10 23:24                             ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-11  7:40                               ` radeon-pre-2 Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-09-11  8:42                               ` radeon-pre-2 Keith Whitwell
2004-09-11 13:59                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11  0:47                             ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11  8:43                               ` radeon-pre-2 Keith Whitwell
2004-09-11 12:23                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Mike Mestnik
2004-09-11 15:39                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 14:14                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11  0:50                             ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-11  3:30                               ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-11  5:19                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-11  6:12                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-11  7:11                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 14:36                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 15:53                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 15:14                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:10                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 16:20                                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:49                                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 17:59                                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 18:05                                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 18:09                                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-12  1:55                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Mike Mestnik
2004-09-11  9:20                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Antonino A. Daplas
2004-09-11 14:40                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 16:34                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 14:33                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 16:46                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 16:21                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:27                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-13 11:40                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Keith Whitwell
2004-09-11 19:10                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Hamie
2004-09-11 23:20                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-12  9:13                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-09-12 11:36                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Hamie
2004-09-12 17:31                                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 16:23                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 14:25                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-12 22:42                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-12 23:03                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-13  0:27                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-13  0:45                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-13  0:52                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-13 14:52                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-13 13:57                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 15:20                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-13 15:07                                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 15:20                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-13 19:21                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Alex Deucher
2004-09-13 20:42                                               ` radeon-pre-2 David Bronaugh
2004-09-13 21:57                                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Alex Deucher
2004-09-13 16:26                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-13  6:05                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alex Deucher
2004-09-13 16:29                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-13  6:41                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-13 11:26                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 15:06                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-13 15:04                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 16:28                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-13 16:43                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 18:11                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-13 18:49                                               ` radeon-pre-2 Jesse Barnes
2004-09-13 22:17                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Antonino A. Daplas
2004-09-13 17:50                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-14 10:27                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11  8:38                             ` radeon-pre-2 Keith Whitwell
2004-09-10 23:10                           ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-10 22:17                             ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 12:27                           ` radeon-pre-2 Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-11 12:49                             ` radeon-pre-2 Mike Mestnik
2004-09-11 16:45                               ` radeon-pre-2 Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-11 16:11                             ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 16:45                               ` radeon-pre-2 Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-11 17:02                               ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-11 16:18                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:49                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-11 17:13                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 16:23                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:41                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-11 17:57                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-11 20:29                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Eric Anholt
2004-09-11 21:41                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 17:54                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 18:13                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-11 21:02                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 21:06                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-11 21:37                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 23:23                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-12  7:12                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Eric Anholt
2004-09-12  0:21                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-12  0:28                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-12 23:53                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-11 18:17                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-10 17:12                     ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
     [not found]           ` <1094853894.18235.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-09-11  2:20             ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl

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