From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: "Ihar 'Philips' Filipau" <filia@softhome.net>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Linux Kernel ML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: udev is too slow creating devices
Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2004 14:38:24 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1095568704.6545.17.camel@gaston> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <414C9003.9070707@softhome.net>
> You need to change your attitude for first. For second - come up with
> a way for user space to block until device is here, and if it is not
> here/error detected - fail.
>
> As it was said before - /all/ we need, is to be able to tell
> discovery phase from idle state of driver. "/All/" is quite much here -
> but it must be a goal.
>
> I'm absolutely sure, that for PCI devices it is implementable quite
> easy - probing is already done outside of modules. And we know precisely
> are we Ok, or are we not. And we know when we are done. If it is not so
> for USB yet - then it is bug which must be fixed.
Nope, Greg is right. Drivers themselves won't necessarily provide
you with the device interface in a synchronous way after they are
loaded, and some will certainly never. It is all an asynchronous process
and there is simply no way to ask for any kind of enforced synchronicity
here without major bloatage.
Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-09-19 4:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-09-18 19:44 udev is too slow creating devices Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2004-09-18 20:37 ` Marc Ballarin
2004-09-18 21:30 ` Greg KH
2004-09-19 0:06 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2004-09-19 0:41 ` Greg KH
2004-09-19 8:18 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2004-09-20 4:19 ` Greg KH
2004-09-19 4:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2004-09-19 8:27 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2004-09-19 11:53 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2004-09-19 17:32 ` Greg KH
2004-09-19 18:43 ` Grzegorz Kulewski
2004-09-20 4:11 ` Greg KH
2004-09-20 10:52 ` Jon Masters
2004-09-19 12:00 ` Marc Ballarin
2004-09-19 14:25 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2004-09-19 15:14 ` Marc Ballarin
2004-09-19 16:00 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2004-09-19 17:11 ` Marc Ballarin
2004-09-19 17:30 ` Greg KH
2004-09-20 2:29 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2004-09-20 16:17 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2004-09-29 23:38 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-09-29 23:53 ` Greg KH
2004-09-19 19:40 ` Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2004-09-20 0:05 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-09-20 4:06 ` Greg KH
2004-09-20 8:54 ` Marc Ballarin
2004-09-20 0:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-09-18 19:25 Ihar 'Philips' Filipau
2004-09-18 21:24 ` Greg KH
[not found] <http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/9/15/119@localhost.localdomain>
2004-09-15 14:26 ` Michael Thonke
[not found] <http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/9/14/316@localhost.localdomain>
2004-09-14 20:30 ` Michael Thonke
2004-09-14 18:33 Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2004-09-14 18:42 ` Greg KH
2004-09-14 19:21 ` Chris Meadors
2004-09-14 19:40 ` Chris Friesen
2004-09-14 19:52 ` Greg KH
2004-09-14 20:00 ` Chris Friesen
2004-09-14 20:43 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2004-09-14 21:35 ` Greg KH
2004-09-14 21:45 ` Marco d'Itri
2004-09-14 21:51 ` Greg KH
2004-09-14 22:47 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-14 23:04 ` Greg KH
2004-09-14 23:20 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-14 23:34 ` Gianni Tedesco
2004-09-14 23:58 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-15 16:15 ` Greg KH
2004-09-15 19:21 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-15 22:09 ` Chris Friesen
2004-09-15 22:15 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-15 22:25 ` Greg KH
2004-09-15 22:23 ` Greg KH
2004-09-15 22:46 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-09-15 13:55 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2004-09-15 14:36 ` Ian Campbell
2004-09-15 15:20 ` Tonnerre
2004-09-15 15:45 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2004-09-15 16:12 ` Greg KH
2004-09-15 16:51 ` Marc Ballarin
2004-09-15 18:00 ` Greg KH
2004-09-19 16:51 ` Jon Masters
2004-09-19 18:53 ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2004-09-20 2:16 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2004-09-17 8:06 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2004-09-15 16:11 ` Greg KH
2004-09-15 16:09 ` Greg KH
2004-09-17 7:48 ` Alexander E. Patrakov
2004-09-14 22:03 ` Marc Ballarin
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