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From: John McCutchan <ttb@tentacle.dhs.org>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Cc: ray-lk@madrabbit.org, rml@novell.com,
	cfriesen@nortelnetworks.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	gamin-list@gnome.org, viro@parcelfarce.linux.theplanet.co.uk,
	iggy@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] inotify 0.10.0
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:32:49 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1096507968.17643.5.camel@vertex> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040929211533.5e62988a.akpm@osdl.org>

On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 00:15, Andrew Morton wrote:
> John McCutchan <ttb@tentacle.dhs.org> wrote:
> >
> > >  ~ ~
> > > 
> > > As Chris points out, we still need a way to pass the name or path back
> > > to userspace when an event occurs, which is the interface I was harping
> > > on a few messages back.
> > > 
> > > It seems we're trying to recreate a variant struct dirent for
> > > communicating changes to userspace. Perhaps we can learn something from
> > > already trodden ground? Just sayin'.
> > 
> > Yes the current method of passing the name back to user space is
> > definitely sub par. But I don't think passing a full path to user space
> > is reasonable, as that would require walking the dirent tree for every
> > event. Really the best we can provide user space is the filename/dirname
> > (relative to the directory you are currently watching).
> 
> Userspace requests that the kernel start monitoring an fd.  The kernel
> returns an integer cookie which corresponds to that monitor.
> 
> When an event occurs, the kernel returns the event identifier and the
> cookie to userspace.
> 
> Userspace then does a lookup to work out what pathname corresponds to the
> cookie.

That is what inotify does. Except user space asks the kernel to monitor
a particular path (not an fd).

> 
> 
> Or is it the case that you expect a single monitor on /etc will return
> "/etc/passwd" if someone modified that file, or "/etc/hosts" if someone
> modified that file?  If so, perhaps we should take that feature away and
> require that userspace rescan the directory?
> 

Yes, this is the case that we are discussing. Rescanning the directory
is a waste, if the kernel can cheaply tell userspace what happened.

> 
> Because passing pathnames into and back from the kernel from this manner is
> really not a nice design.
> 
> A halfway point might be to return {cookie-of-/etc,EVENT_MODIFY,"hosts"} to
> a monitor on the /etc directory.
> 
> 

This is what the current inotify code does. You get an event with the
filename relative to your watch descriptor (cookie). 

John

  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-30  1:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-27  2:02 [RFC][PATCH] inotify 0.10.0 John McCutchan
2004-09-27  4:17 ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-27 20:52   ` Robert Love
2004-09-28  4:41     ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-28  2:14       ` Robert Love
2004-09-28  3:44         ` John McCutchan
2004-09-28 17:31           ` Robert Love
2004-09-28  5:45     ` Ray Lee
2004-09-28 19:08       ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-28 16:41         ` Chris Friesen
2004-09-28 16:53           ` Robert Love
2004-09-28 17:32             ` Ray Lee
2004-09-28 20:34               ` John McCutchan
2004-09-28 21:20                 ` Ray Lee
2004-09-30  4:15                 ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-30  1:32                   ` John McCutchan [this message]
2004-09-30  1:34                   ` Robert Love
2004-09-30  3:05                     ` Paul Jackson
2004-09-30  5:37                       ` Chris Friesen
2004-09-30 12:43                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-09-30 15:29                       ` Ray Lee
2004-09-30 16:27                         ` Paul Jackson
2004-09-30 16:53                           ` Ray Lee
2004-09-30 17:48                             ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-01  1:22                               ` Ray Lee
2004-10-01  4:09                                 ` Paul Jackson
2004-10-04 20:58                                   ` Ray Lee
2004-09-28 20:40         ` John McCutchan
2004-09-28 20:47           ` Robert Love
2004-09-28 21:39             ` Ray Lee
2004-09-28 22:10               ` Robert Love
2004-09-28 21:32           ` Ray Lee
2004-09-30  4:31           ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-28 20:26       ` John McCutchan
2004-09-28 21:10         ` Ray Lee
2004-09-28 21:20           ` Robert Love
2004-09-28 21:21           ` John McCutchan
2004-09-28 21:35             ` Robert Love
2004-09-28 21:50               ` Ray Lee
2004-09-28 22:03                 ` Robert Love
2004-09-27 16:21 ` [gamin] [RFC][PATCH] inotify 0.10.0 [u] Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-09-27 16:24   ` Robert Love
2004-09-27 16:30     ` Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-09-27 16:35       ` Robert Love
2004-09-27 17:10         ` Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-09-27 16:25 ` Martin Schlemmer [c]
2004-09-27 17:12 ` [RFC][PATCH] inotify 0.10.0 Robert Love
2004-09-27 19:48   ` Paul Jackson
2004-09-27 20:22     ` patch] inotify: use bitmap.h functions Robert Love
2004-09-27 20:38       ` Paul Jackson
2004-09-27 19:51 ` [patch] inotify: make it configurable Robert Love
2004-09-27 19:53 ` [patch] inotify: doh Robert Love
2004-09-27 20:06 ` [RFC][PATCH] inotify 0.10.0 Robert Love
2004-09-27 20:39 ` [patch] inotify: don't check private_data Robert Love
2004-09-28  1:05 ` [patch] inotify: silly fix Robert Love
2004-09-28 17:38 ` [RFC][PATCH] inotify 0.10.0 Mike Waychison
2004-09-28 20:35   ` John McCutchan
2004-09-28 17:48 ` [patch] inotify: remove timer Robert Love
2004-09-28 21:46 ` [patch] inotify: use the idr layer Robert Love
2004-09-28 21:58   ` John McCutchan
2004-09-28 22:08     ` Robert Love

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