From: Len Brown <len.brown@intel.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>,
Bjorn Helgaas <bjorn.helgaas@hp.com>,
Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: 2.6.10-rc2 doesn't boot (if no floppy device)
Date: 22 Nov 2004 15:24:38 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1101155077.20006.110.camel@d845pe> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411221116480.20993@ppc970.osdl.org>
On Mon, 2004-11-22 at 14:23, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> To me, firmware is not
> something cool to be used. It's a necessary evil, and it should be
> avoided and mistrusted as far as humanly possible, because it is
> always buggy, and we can't fix the bugs in it.
Mistrusting firmware is why I disabled all the links, some system
firmware didn't leave them in a self-consistent state.
Re: liking ACPI
Consider it a love/hate thing;-)
> > The damn good reason is that doing otherwise breaks systems.
>
> And not doing it breaks systems.
I'm not aware (yet) of any systems where disabling all the links (which
we've been doing since June, BTW) and clearing the entire ELCR, and then
re-enabling them both only as we use them causes a failure.
> This is why I don't trust firmware. It's always buggy.
I'm with you on that one.
-Len
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-11-22 20:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 86+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-11-15 2:49 Linux 2.6.10-rc2 Linus Torvalds
2004-11-15 4:07 ` 2.6.10-rc2 doesn't boot Adrian Bunk
2004-11-15 4:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-15 5:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-11-15 23:27 ` Chris Wright
2004-11-15 23:58 ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-18 23:14 ` 2.6.10-rc2 doesn't boot (if no floppy device) Len Brown
2004-11-19 7:09 ` Chris Wright
2004-11-20 9:02 ` Len Brown
2004-11-20 12:40 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-11-20 18:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-20 19:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 19:55 ` Len Brown
2004-11-24 16:26 ` Alan Cox
2004-11-21 16:29 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-11-22 19:29 ` Len Brown
2004-11-22 20:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 20:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 20:38 ` Len Brown
2004-11-23 2:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-23 4:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-23 7:06 ` Len Brown
2004-11-23 20:13 ` Stian Jordet
2004-11-23 2:00 ` Chris Wright
2004-11-22 18:28 ` Len Brown
2004-11-23 0:46 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-11-23 1:07 ` why use ACPI (Re: 2.6.10-rc2 doesn't boot (if no floppy device)) Len Brown
2004-11-23 1:23 ` Dave Jones
2004-11-23 1:52 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-11-23 1:37 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-11-23 2:47 ` Len Brown
2004-11-23 2:50 ` Dave Jones
2004-11-23 3:13 ` Gene Heskett
2004-11-23 3:45 ` Dave Jones
2004-11-20 16:41 ` 2.6.10-rc2 doesn't boot (if no floppy device) Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 19:07 ` Len Brown
2004-11-22 19:23 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 20:24 ` Len Brown [this message]
2004-11-22 20:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 20:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-22 20:54 ` Len Brown
2004-11-22 20:51 ` Len Brown
2004-11-23 1:58 ` Chris Wright
2004-11-19 13:47 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-11-23 1:57 ` Chris Wright
2004-11-15 7:25 ` 2.6.10-rc2 doesn't boot Andrew Morton
2004-11-15 10:26 ` Linux 2.6.10-rc2 Russell King
2004-11-15 11:24 ` Ben Dooks
2004-11-15 11:55 ` Nick Piggin
2004-11-15 20:20 ` Andrew Morton
2004-11-16 0:29 ` Linux 2.6.10-rc2 [dvb-bt8xx unload oops] Eyal Lebedinsky
2004-11-16 9:57 ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2004-11-17 23:17 ` Eyal Lebedinsky
2004-11-16 7:55 ` Linux 2.6.10-rc2 SAVAGEFB startup crash Philipp Matthias Hahn
2004-11-16 8:17 ` Colin Leroy
2004-11-16 12:43 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-11-16 17:27 ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2004-11-16 21:20 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-11-17 11:55 ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2004-11-16 21:43 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2004-11-16 16:25 ` Linux 2.6.10-rc2 Guido Guenther
2004-11-17 15:54 ` Andrew Walrond
2004-11-17 16:58 ` Linux 2.6.10-rc2 OOPS on boot with 3ware + reiserfs Vladimir B. Savkin
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0411170935040.2222@ppc970.osdl.org>
[not found] ` <20041118103526.GC26240@suse.de>
2004-11-18 16:02 ` Vladimir B. Savkin
2004-11-18 18:39 ` Jens Axboe
2004-11-18 19:10 ` Jens Axboe
2004-11-18 19:22 ` James Bottomley
2004-11-18 21:32 ` Jens Axboe
2004-11-18 21:39 ` James Bottomley
2004-11-19 8:40 ` Jens Axboe
2004-11-17 19:32 ` Linux 2.6.10-rc2 start_udev very slow Andrew Walrond
2004-11-17 23:13 ` Greg KH
2004-12-16 15:56 ` Greg KH
2004-12-16 20:57 ` Andrew Walrond
2004-12-16 21:11 ` Greg KH
2004-12-16 21:20 ` Andrew Walrond
2004-12-16 21:46 ` Greg KH
2004-11-18 17:26 ` Linux 2.6.10-rc2 Vladimir B. Savkin
2004-11-18 17:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-18 18:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2004-11-19 8:43 ` Vladimir B. Savkin
[not found] <F7DC2337C7631D4386A2DF6E8FB22B30020B7225@hdsmsx401.amr.corp.intel.com>
2004-11-19 15:57 ` 2.6.10-rc2 doesn't boot (if no floppy device) Adrian Bunk
2004-11-19 17:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-11-19 18:51 ` Len Brown
2004-11-19 19:11 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-11-19 21:05 ` Len Brown
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=1101155077.20006.110.camel@d845pe \
--to=len.brown@intel.com \
--cc=akpm@osdl.org \
--cc=bjorn.helgaas@hp.com \
--cc=bunk@stusta.de \
--cc=chrisw@osdl.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=torvalds@osdl.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox