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From: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "Jack O'Quin" <joq@io.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [request for inclusion] Realtime LSM
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2005 20:28:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1104888538.18410.24.camel@krustophenia.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1104878646.17166.63.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-01-05 at 00:01 +0000, Alan Cox wrote:
> The problem with uid/gid based hacks is that they get really ugly to
> administer really fast. Especially once you have users who need realtime
> and hugetlb, and users who need one only.
> 

Sorry, how does hugetlb relate to this?

> It would be far cleaner to split CAP_SYS_NICE capability down - which
> should cover the real time OS functions nicely. Right now it gives a few
> too many rights but that could be fixed easily.
> 

We need selected nonroot users to be able to run SCHED_FIFO tasks and
mlock().  It has to be easy to administer.  That's it.

As Jack mentioned, the developers of this patch are not kernel hackers
by trade, they wrote this to solve a real problem.  In other words, a
patch is worth a thousand words.

It seems distro vendors would be interested in solving this problem.
The linux audio market is smaller than the general desktop of course but
many of the users are professionals who would gladly pay for support.
Look how many people pay for OSX.  Wouldn't Red Hat and SuSE like some
of those customers?

Lee


  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-05  1:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 266+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-12-30  2:43 [PATCH] [request for inclusion] Realtime LSM Lee Revell
2005-01-03 14:03 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-03 14:15   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 16:40     ` Lee Revell
2005-01-04 18:16   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-04 18:20     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-04 18:55       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-04 18:59         ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05  0:01           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-05  1:28             ` Lee Revell [this message]
2005-01-05  1:30             ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05  1:50             ` Chris Wright
2005-01-05  1:55               ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05  2:05                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-05  2:58                   ` Kyle Moffett
2005-01-05  3:45                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-05  4:06                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-05 11:52                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-05 15:19                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 15:21                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 12:56                     ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 13:04                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 14:16                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 14:26                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 14:38                             ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 14:42                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 15:27                                 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 15:33                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 15:41                                     ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 16:03                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-07 16:20                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2005-01-08  5:36                                           ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-08  6:21                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-07 16:20                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 21:12                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 21:49                                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-07 22:07                                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-07 22:36                                                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 23:01                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-07 23:20                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-07 23:34                                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-10 21:05                                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 22:10                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 22:26                                                 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 22:29                                                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-08  6:12                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-08 16:56                                                     ` ross
2005-01-08 18:25                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-08 22:20                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-08 22:27                                                         ` Andreas Steinmetz
2005-01-08 22:14                                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-01-10 21:20                                                     ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 13:05                                                       ` Paul Davis
2005-01-11 16:28                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-11 18:59                                                           ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 20:47                                                           ` utz lehmann
2005-01-11 21:07                                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 19:17                                                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 19:42                                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-11 20:50                                                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 20:58                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-11 21:14                                                               ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 21:27                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-11 22:13                                                                   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 22:26                                                                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-12  3:21                                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-12  4:29                                                                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-13  5:44                                                                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-13  6:34                                                                     ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-13 19:17                                                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-14 20:52                                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-01-15  0:42                                                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15  2:19                                                                             ` Randy.Dunlap
2005-01-15  4:06                                                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15 13:49                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-15 23:02                                                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15 23:38                                                                         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-16 23:13                                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-16 23:57                                                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-17  9:17                                                                               ` Sytse Wielinga
2005-01-17 14:36                                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-17 10:06                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-18  5:02                                                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-18  8:02                                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-18 17:05                                                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-19  8:24                                                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 14:39                                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-19 17:45                                                                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-19 18:32                                                                                             ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-20  8:07                                                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-20  8:05                                                                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-11 14:30                                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-11 19:50                                                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 19:57                                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-11 20:05                                                             ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 20:29                                                               ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 20:47                                                                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 21:10                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 21:20                                                                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 21:28                                                                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 21:38                                                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 21:41                                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-11 22:51                                                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-11 23:05                                                                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-12  1:43                                                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-12  7:49                                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-12 21:12                                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-13  0:44                                                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-13  7:28                                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:04                                                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-13 21:07                                                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 21:25                                                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-01-13 21:43                                                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-13 23:31                                                                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-14  0:33                                                                                               ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14  0:50                                                                                               ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  1:20                                                                                                 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-14  1:27                                                                                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14 17:20                                                                                               ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-15  1:14                                                                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15  8:06                                                                                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2005-01-15 23:48                                                                                                     ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-14  2:05                                                                                           ` utz lehmann
2005-01-14  2:08                                                                                             ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  2:23                                                                                               ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-14  2:35                                                                                               ` utz lehmann
2005-01-14  2:42                                                                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  3:20                                                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-14  3:28                                                                                                     ` utz lehmann
2005-01-14  3:26                                                                                                   ` utz lehmann
2005-01-14  2:24                                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  2:40                                                                                               ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14  2:57                                                                                                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  3:12                                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-14  3:18                                                                                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  3:30                                                                                                     ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14  3:38                                                                                                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  3:51                                                                                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14  4:00                                                                                                           ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  4:16                                                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  4:04                                                                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  3:31                                                                                                     ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  3:34                                                                                                       ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14  4:11                                                                                                       ` Con Kolivas
2005-01-14  4:23                                                                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  4:45                                                                                                           ` Paul Davis
2005-01-14  5:14                                                                                                             ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  9:21                                                                                                       ` Will Dyson
2005-01-14  9:54                                                                                                         ` Nick Piggin
2005-01-14  6:57                                                                                                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-14  7:04                                                                                                     ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-14  7:55                                                                                                       ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14 20:10                                                                                                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-14 20:55                                                                                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-14 23:04                                                                                                         ` Chris Wright
2005-01-15  0:58                                                                                                           ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 22:05                                                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 21:42                                                                     ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 22:16                                                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-11 22:21                                                                         ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 22:36                                                                           ` utz lehmann
2005-01-11 22:41                                                                             ` Chris Wright
2005-01-11 22:17                                                                     ` utz
2005-01-11 22:48                                                                     ` Paul Davis
2005-01-11 23:06                                                                       ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-12  2:13                                                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-12 19:09                                                                           ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-12 21:25                                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-01-11 20:19                                                             ` Chris Friesen
2005-01-11 22:45                                                           ` Paul Davis
2005-01-11 21:21                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-12  2:10                                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15  4:56                                                       ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-15 14:43                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-15 23:10                                                           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-16  1:48                                                             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-16  4:30                                                               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-16 23:22                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-01-07 23:00                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 22:22                                               ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 22:44                                               ` Andreas Steinmetz
2005-01-07 16:03                                       ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 16:22                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-08 13:04                                           ` Paul Jakma
2005-01-07 14:47                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-07 15:26                                 ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 16:08                                   ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 16:14                                     ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 16:29                                       ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 16:36                                         ` Paul Davis
2005-01-07 17:06                                           ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 17:29                                             ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 17:32                                               ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 17:38                                                 ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 19:55                                                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-07 16:37                                         ` Takashi Iwai
2005-01-07 16:41                                           ` Martin Mares
2005-01-07 17:53                                   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 18:01                             ` Chris Wright
2005-01-05 18:18                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-05  4:04             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-05 11:25           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 17:32             ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 19:11               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 11:20         ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-04 18:57       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05  1:35         ` Andreas Steinmetz
2005-01-05  4:18           ` Alan Cox
2005-01-05  5:50             ` Andrew Morton
2005-01-05 12:06               ` Herbert Poetzl
2005-01-07  1:13                 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07  1:55                   ` Alan Cox
2005-01-07 20:05                     ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-05 20:09               ` Olaf Dietsche
2005-01-07  1:18             ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07  2:36               ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07  5:54               ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-07 20:02                 ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 20:21                   ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 20:27                   ` Jack O'Quin
2005-01-07 20:46                     ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 20:55                       ` Lee Revell
2005-01-07 21:20                         ` Matt Mackall
2005-01-07 21:29                           ` Chris Wright
2005-01-07 20:45                   ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 11:39           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 17:35             ` Lee Revell
2005-01-05 19:11               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-01-05 11:24         ` Christoph Hellwig
     [not found] <20050112185258.GG2940@waste.org>
2005-01-12 21:16 ` Paul Davis
2005-03-08  3:50   ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08  3:55     ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-08  4:16       ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08  4:22         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-08  4:28           ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08  4:32             ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-08  4:47               ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08  4:58                 ` Chris Wright
2005-03-08 18:55               ` Lee Revell
2005-03-08 19:11                 ` Paul Davis
2005-03-08 20:29                   ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08 21:20                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-08 21:34                   ` Lee Revell
2005-03-08 23:55                     ` James Morris
2005-03-08  5:19           ` Jack O'Quin
2005-03-08  4:33     ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08  4:40       ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08  5:30         ` Jack O'Quin
2005-03-08  6:33           ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-09  3:39             ` Jack O'Quin
2005-03-09  3:44               ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-09  4:04                 ` Jack O'Quin
2005-03-10 14:01           ` Pavel Machek
2005-03-08  5:40         ` Peter Williams
2005-03-08  5:49           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-08  6:28             ` Peter Williams
2005-03-08  6:40               ` Chris Wright
2005-03-08  6:42                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-08  6:00           ` Chris Wright
2005-03-08  6:18           ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08  5:38       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-08  6:45       ` Chris Wright
2005-03-08  6:49         ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08  6:55       ` Andrew Morton
2005-03-08  8:45         ` Matt Mackall
2005-03-08 19:17       ` utz lehmann

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