From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Mws <mws@twisted-brains.org>
Cc: lm@bitmover.com, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [BK] upgrade will be needed
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:03:45 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1108393425.8413.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200502141413.36066.mws@twisted-brains.org>
On Mon, 2005-02-14 at 14:13 +0100, Mws wrote:
> On Monday 14 February 2005 03:08, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > wasn't our intent. What we would like to do is change the language to
> > say that if you use BK you are agreeing that you won't work on another
> > SCM for 1 year after you stop using BK. But after that you would be
> > able to hack on anything that you wanted. That was more of what we
> > had in mind in the first place but we didn't make it clear. If you all
> > thought that using BK meant you had no right to hack on SCM ever again,
> > that's just not fair. We need to protect our IP but you should have
> > the right to choose to go hack SCM if that's what you (our first choice
> > is that you came and worked here, we really like kernel hackers, but if
> > you don't want to that's cool too).
> Hi,
>
> do you mean "if you use BK you are agreeing that you won't work on another
> SCM for 1 year after you stop using BK." for the kernel tree and developers or in general?
IANAL, but I've talked to lawyers about clauses like this with
employment. Most of these clauses are too restrictive and are not
enforcible. But I've never heard of a non-compete clause to USE a
product. Only if you work on something. I'll have to have another talk
with my lawyer, but I am pretty sure that you can't prevent someone from
employment just because they used a product. I can understand if you
were employed by bitmover, or signed an NDA to look at the code. But
just the act of using it is ridicules. Can you see Ford Motors telling
someone that you can't go work for GM if you drive a Ford?
FYI,
What my lawyer told me about non-compete clauses (in the work place),
was that if they prevent you from getting employment in your skill set,
and your only other choice is basically to flip burgers, then they are
not enforcible (this is in respect to the USA, void where prohibited).
-- Steve
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-02-14 15:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-02-14 2:08 [BK] upgrade will be needed Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 6:02 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 6:17 ` Adam Sulmicki
2005-02-14 9:49 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-14 12:08 ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2005-02-14 15:08 ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 15:40 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 16:21 ` linux-os
2005-02-14 17:12 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-16 23:55 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 20:33 ` David Weinehall
2005-02-17 21:31 ` Chris Wright
2005-02-14 17:14 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 17:23 ` Russell Miller
2005-02-14 17:49 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 18:33 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:47 ` Steven Rostedt
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[not found] ` <20050214231148.GP13174@bitmover.com>
[not found] ` <1108425420.8413.78.camel@localhost.localdomain>
[not found] ` <20050215000028.GS13174@bitmover.com>
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2005-02-15 1:00 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15 3:01 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15 3:39 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-02-15 14:05 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-14 19:29 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 21:13 ` Erik Andersen
2005-02-14 18:17 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 18:36 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-14 18:45 ` Matthew Jacob
2005-02-14 20:02 ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15 5:13 ` Scott Lockwood
2005-02-14 18:56 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 20:36 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-02-14 21:25 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2005-02-14 23:02 ` Henrik Persson
2005-02-14 21:30 ` Tom Felker
2005-02-15 9:04 ` James Bruce
2005-02-16 17:31 ` Jeff Sipek
2005-02-14 23:24 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15 3:35 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-15 5:23 ` Hua Zhong
2005-02-15 12:19 ` kernel
2005-02-15 12:45 ` linux-os
2005-02-15 13:39 ` Helge Hafting
2005-02-16 9:45 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 10:21 ` Catalin Marinas
2005-02-16 13:40 ` Schwaighofer Clemens
2005-02-16 15:39 ` d.c
2005-02-17 0:14 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-16 15:43 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-16 17:01 ` Sean
2005-02-17 0:11 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17 4:57 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17 5:57 ` Sean
2005-02-17 6:22 ` d.c
2005-02-17 6:49 ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:34 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 16:40 ` Sean
2005-02-17 16:55 ` Chris Friesen
2005-02-17 16:58 ` Sean
2005-02-17 20:52 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17 21:24 ` Sean
2005-02-18 1:42 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18 7:52 ` Sean
2005-02-18 16:27 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18 18:34 ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:26 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:31 ` Sean
2005-02-18 19:46 ` John Stoffel
2005-02-18 19:49 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-18 19:57 ` Sean
2005-02-19 0:59 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-18 20:45 ` d.c
2005-02-18 21:13 ` David S. Miller
2005-02-18 21:34 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-18 22:18 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-02-18 22:35 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-19 7:53 ` Anton Altaparmakov
2005-02-23 19:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2005-02-21 5:43 ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21 6:56 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-21 7:00 ` N/A Christof Dorner
2005-02-21 15:40 ` [BK] upgrade will be needed Kevin P. Fleming
2005-02-17 23:25 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-17 23:32 ` Sean
2005-02-17 23:54 ` Lee Revell
2005-02-17 23:56 ` Sean
2005-02-18 4:00 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-18 4:03 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18 7:26 ` Sean
2005-02-18 12:31 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-18 0:29 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-18 2:31 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-17 7:55 ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17 8:09 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-17 9:27 ` Roland Kuhn
2005-02-17 10:27 ` Sean
2005-02-18 0:32 ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-02-14 18:54 ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-14 20:13 ` Matthew Dharm
2005-02-14 20:17 ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-15 17:26 ` Juergen Stuber
2005-02-15 2:46 ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-15 13:24 ` Tristan Wibberley
2005-02-14 19:44 ` Matthias Andree
2005-02-14 20:05 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 22:24 ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-14 22:57 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 23:23 ` David Lang
2005-02-15 0:03 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15 1:23 ` David Lang
2005-02-15 16:34 ` Olivier Galibert
2005-02-14 23:29 ` Gerold Jury
2005-02-15 13:55 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 16:57 ` Alan Cox
2005-02-17 0:00 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 1:41 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-17 9:46 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-02-17 12:36 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-17 14:07 ` Citizen Number 24655
2005-02-17 15:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-17 16:27 ` Florian Weimer
2005-02-18 8:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-15 2:13 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15 2:40 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-15 3:04 ` Paul Jackson
2005-02-15 12:41 ` Ed Tomlinson
2005-02-15 13:56 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-15 14:55 ` Anton Ertl
2005-02-14 13:13 ` Mws
2005-02-14 15:03 ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2005-02-14 16:00 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-14 17:21 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-02-15 12:13 ` kernel
2005-02-16 23:46 ` Pavel Machek
2005-02-18 8:56 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18 2:05 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-18 2:24 ` [darcs-users] " Tupshin Harper
2005-02-18 2:33 ` Sean
2005-02-18 9:09 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-18 10:58 ` Tomasz Zielonka
2005-02-18 11:53 ` Erik Bågfors
2005-02-18 12:50 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19 9:10 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-19 10:17 ` Sean
2005-02-19 16:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-19 17:15 ` David Roundy
2005-02-19 17:53 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 12:41 ` David Roundy
2005-02-21 18:33 ` David Brown
2005-02-21 13:48 ` Patrick McFarland
2005-02-20 10:36 ` Ralph Corderoy
2005-02-18 17:50 ` Dustin Sallings
2005-02-21 5:39 ` Miles Bader
2005-02-21 15:53 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-02-21 19:45 ` zander
2005-02-21 20:27 ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-23 17:14 ` Andreas Gruenbacher
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2005-02-14 21:08 Martin Fouts
2005-02-14 21:20 Martin Fouts
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