From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262538AbVCDE0T (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 23:26:19 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261582AbVCCTmc (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:42:32 -0500 Received: from mustang.oldcity.dca.net ([216.158.38.3]:60611 "HELO mustang.oldcity.dca.net") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S262526AbVCCTWx (ORCPT ); Thu, 3 Mar 2005 14:22:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] Re: intel 8x0 went silent in 2.6.11 From: Lee Revell To: Mark Canter Cc: Nish Aravamudan , Pierre Ossman , linux-kernel In-Reply-To: References: <4227085C.7060104@drzeus.cx> <29495f1d05030309455a990c5b@mail.gmail.com> <1109875926.2908.26.camel@mindpipe> <1109876978.2908.31.camel@mindpipe> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:22:51 -0500 Message-Id: <1109877771.2908.41.camel@mindpipe> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org (I hope you don't mind me re-adding LKML because this illustrates an important point) On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 14:15 -0500, Mark Canter wrote: > Seems like the Q/A process is kind of borked if the below tests are known > but don't get applied before it gets released into the wild. We will never be able to get 100% of these before they get out the door, because the ALSA developers can't test on every possible hardware. And the group of users who test ALSA CVS and ALSA releases before they go in the kernel is small. That being said, you are 100% right. It is widely acknowledged that the release candidate process is broken. The solution is to fix the release candidate process, so more people try the -rcs. This is the only way to catch bugs like this before they get out. Please see the "release numbering" thread for some proposed solutions. Lee