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From: Ram <linuxram@us.ibm.com>
To: johnpol@2ka.mipt.ru
Cc: Jay Lan <jlan@engr.sgi.com>,
	Guillaume Thouvenin <guillaume.thouvenin@bull.net>,
	Jesse Barnes <jbarnes@engr.sgi.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Erich Focht <efocht@hpce.nec.com>,
	Gerrit Huizenga <gh@us.ibm.com>,
	elsa-devel <elsa-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [patch 1/2] fork_connector: add a fork connector
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:00:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1111604426.7103.157.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1111557106.23532.65.camel@uganda>

On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 21:51, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 08:01 +0300, Evgeniy Polyakov wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-03-22 at 15:51 -0800, Jay Lan wrote:
> > 
> 
> > > I see this issue less a case of bad guys vs. good guys. I see it
> > > as various components doing system related work, but there is
> > > no mechanism of knowing who is on who is off by today's patch. A
> > > service listening to the fork connector can request to turn off
> > > cn_fork_enable on exit and inadquately affect other services/daemons
> > > listening to the same connector. It is not acceptable in my opinion.
> > 
> > It is super-user who only is allowed to turn it off and even listen for
> > events,
> > since only super-user is allowed to bind socket to multicast netlink
> > group.
> > Super-user should not be allowed to control it's system?
> 
> BTW, super-user can unload fork connector module, and none listener
> will even know about it, it just stops to receive notification.

I see your point. Since the application has to be super-user to turn it
off, and since super-user applications are trusted not to mis-behave,
the current mechanism is relatively safe. I guess its the amount of
checks you put in place,  to prevent inadvertent shooting-in-the-foot.

There is nothing one can do if the fork_connector module is yanked out.
However there is something one can do, to prevent any arbitrary
application from shutting down the fork-event stream. I think I can live
with the current mechanism, under the assumption that no fork-event
listner has a legitate reason to shut down the fork-event-stream. 

RP




  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-23 19:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-17  9:04 [patch 1/2] fork_connector: add a fork connector Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-17 16:56 ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-17 21:38   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-17 22:05     ` Jesse Barnes
2005-03-21  8:23       ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-21 12:48       ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-21 20:52         ` Ram
2005-03-22  4:36           ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-22 18:40             ` Ram
2005-03-22  7:07           ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-22 18:15             ` Jay Lan
2005-03-23  8:15               ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-22 18:26             ` Ram
2005-03-22 19:22               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-22 19:18                 ` Ram
2005-03-22 20:25                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-22 20:42                     ` Ram
2005-03-23  4:52                       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-22 22:51                   ` Jay Lan
2005-03-22 23:51                 ` Jay Lan
2005-03-23  5:01                   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
     [not found]                     ` <1111557106.23532.65.camel@uganda>
2005-03-23 19:00                       ` Ram [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-25 10:03 Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-25 22:45 ` dean gaudet
2005-03-28 21:42 ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29  7:04   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29  7:02     ` Greg KH
2005-03-29  7:10       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29  8:49     ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29  9:17       ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-29 15:23         ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29 18:44           ` Jay Lan
2005-03-30  1:05             ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-30  5:39           ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-30  6:35             ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-30 10:25               ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-30 10:57                 ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-30 11:01                 ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-04-01  3:26           ` Drew Hess
2005-03-29 10:29       ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-29 17:03         ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29 21:09           ` Jay Lan
2005-03-29 22:01             ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-30 14:14               ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2005-03-30 20:56                 ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-30  6:06             ` dean gaudet
2005-03-30  6:25               ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-30  6:38               ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-30 18:11               ` Jay Lan
2005-03-29  8:05   ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-29 14:47     ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29 12:51   ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-29 15:35     ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-30  5:52       ` Guillaume Thouvenin
2005-03-30  6:41         ` Paul Jackson

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