public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>, Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	Mark Fortescue <mark@mtfhpc.demon.co.uk>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Can't use SYSFS for "Proprietry" driver modules !!!.
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:54:52 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1111967692.27381.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050327220139.GI4285@stusta.de>

On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 00:01 +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 01:37:11PM -0500, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> >...
> > Wasn't this long ago proven in court that the license of headers can't
> > control the code that calls them.  IIRC, it was with X Motif and making
> > free libraries for that. So, actually it was for a free solution for a
> > non free one (the other way around).  I believe the case sided on the
> > free use. But then again the free code may have had to write their own
> > headers and only the API was free. So if you want to compile against the
> > kernel, you may need to work on rewriting the headers from scratch. Ah,
> > but what do I know?
> >...
> 
> How do you define "proven in court"?
> 
> Decided by an US judge based on US laws?
> Decided by a German judge based on German laws?
> Decided by a Chinese judge based on Chinese laws?
> ...
> 

OK, I was talking about US courts since that case was done in the US.
But this is all what I remember about reading some 10 years ago. So I
could be all wrong about what happened. I don't have any references and
I'm too busy now to look them up. So I may be just speaking out of my
ass. :-)

> If you distribute software you can be sued in every country you 
> distribute it.
> 
> E.g. Harald Welte is currently quite successful with legal actions in 
> Germany against companies that distribute Linux-based routers in Germany 
> without offering the source of the GPL'ed software they use.

Your talking about something completely different.  Yes, it is quite
explicit if you modify the source, and distribute it in binary only
form.  I'm talking about writing a separate module that links with the
GPL code dynamically.  So that the code is compiled different from the
GPL code. So the only common part is the API. Now is this a derived
work? 

As someone mentioned already, if you write your own GPL interface that
supplies the interface for your binary module, is it legal?  The GPL
interface remains GPL and delivered with the source, but the binary is
only delivered binary, and may even be on a separate CD or whatever
medium you distribute with. Just like NVidia. They have their GPL layer
that compiles with the kernel and it supplies an interface for their
binary only version.  I haven't seen anyone take them to court.  Just a
lot of complaints about incompatibilities and tainted kernels on the
mailing list, but nothing more.

-- Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-27 23:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-26 17:52 Can't use SYSFS for "Proprietry" driver modules !!! Mark Fortescue
2005-03-26 18:28 ` Greg KH
2005-03-26 20:34   ` Lee Revell
2005-03-26 20:46     ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-27  0:48     ` Greg KH
     [not found]       ` <1111885480.1312.9.camel@mindpipe>
2005-03-27  3:20         ` Greg KH
2005-03-27  3:30           ` Lee Revell
2005-03-27 18:10             ` Greg KH
2005-03-27 18:37               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-27 22:01                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-27 23:54                   ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2005-03-28  1:39                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-28  1:50                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28  9:31                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-28 14:45                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-27 22:41                 ` Dave Airlie
2005-03-28  0:53               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-03-27 15:04     ` Alan Cox
2005-03-28  3:56       ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-03-29  2:37     ` Coywolf Qi Hunt
2005-03-29  5:58       ` Jim Crilly
2005-03-28 16:52   ` Mark Fortescue
2005-03-28 18:38     ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29  3:36     ` Greg KH
2005-03-29  6:17     ` Kevin Puetz
2005-03-27 12:42 ` Sean
2005-03-27 13:53   ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-03-27 15:06     ` Alan Cox
2005-03-28 13:12       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-03-29  3:41         ` Lee Revell
2005-03-29  1:53       ` David Schwartz
2005-03-29  2:06         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-29 19:00           ` David Schwartz
2005-03-30 14:15             ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-02  2:11               ` David Schwartz
2005-03-27 20:50 ` James Courtier-Dutton
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-27  1:15 Aaron Gyes
2005-03-27  1:29 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-27  2:55 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-27  8:57   ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-27 17:09     ` Willy Tarreau
     [not found]   ` <1111913399.6297.28.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>
2005-03-27 17:40     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-27 17:52       ` Dave Airlie
2005-03-27 17:58         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-27 18:04       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-03-27 18:35         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-27 18:46           ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-27 19:16           ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-27 19:30             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-28  1:54               ` Horst von Brand
2005-03-28  9:27                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-28 12:04                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 13:12                   ` linux-os
2005-03-28 13:46                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 14:50                     ` Jan Engelhardt
     [not found]                   ` <1112016850.6003.13.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>
2005-03-28 13:57                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 23:43                       ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29  0:21                         ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-29  0:56                           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-29  1:27                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-29 12:15                               ` linux-os
2005-03-29 12:29                                 ` Sean
2005-03-30 19:47                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 19:57                                   ` linux-os
2005-03-31 11:35                                     ` Sean
2005-03-31 12:34                                       ` linux-os
2005-03-31 14:20                                         ` Sean
2005-03-31 22:55                                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-30 23:30                                 ` John Pearson
2005-04-03 14:07                                   ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-03-29 16:31                             ` Horst von Brand
2005-03-30 14:38                               ` Olivier Galibert
2005-03-30 19:49                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29  1:22                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29  1:31                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 20:47                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-03-27 19:37             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-27 21:22             ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-27 23:09             ` Greg KH
2005-03-28 13:14             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-03-27 18:12   ` Greg KH
2005-03-29  1:04     ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-29  3:33       ` Greg KH
2005-03-29  4:03         ` Zan Lynx
2005-03-29  4:44           ` Greg KH
2005-04-03 23:41           ` Mark Lord
2005-04-04  4:01             ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-04  7:15               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-29  4:28         ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-29  4:45           ` Greg KH
2005-03-29  5:01             ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-29  5:05               ` Greg KH
2005-03-29  5:29             ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-29  5:37               ` Brian Gerst
2005-03-27  5:20 Chuck Ebbert
2005-03-27  7:21 Manfred Spraul
2005-03-28  1:03 Albert Cahalan
2005-03-28  2:04 Aaron Gyes

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=1111967692.27381.8.camel@localhost.localdomain \
    --to=rostedt@goodmis.org \
    --cc=bunk@stusta.de \
    --cc=greg@kroah.com \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=mark@mtfhpc.demon.co.uk \
    --cc=rlrevell@joe-job.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox