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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@inf.utfsm.cl>,
	Kyle Moffett <mrmacman_g4@mac.com>, Aaron Gyes <floam@sh.nu>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <gilbertd@treblig.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
Subject: Re: Can't use SYSFS for "Proprietry" driver modules !!!.
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:57:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1112018265.27381.63.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1112016850.6003.13.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>

On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 15:34 +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > 
> > Anyway, I don't think that the GPL is that powerful to affect things not
> > linked directly with it
> 
> the problem with kernel modules is.. that you actually create quite a
> few lines of code directly from the kernel (via the headers). Also..
> derived work is both broader and smaller than "directly linked". 
> 
> Like if you write an extra chapter to a harry potter novel... even if
> it's not in the same bundle, it's still a derived work. 
> 

If you don't use any of the names of the characters, is it still a
derived work?

Having a GPL wrapper may be legal to do. You won't find out until you
are actually taken to court. I don't see why people are very upset with
doing this, since those that do must work very hard in keeping things
compliant. And those that write the GPL code, can keep things hard for
them, which could just be by ignoring them. Anyone who complains about a
crash that has the nvidia module loaded will not get any help, except
from those that also have the nvidia module.

Writing code that needs wrappers is not derived work, if that code can
also have wrappers for BSD, QNX and perhaps Windows. It may be an added
functionality, that needs some operating system, but if it is a separate
functionality, than it should really work for any operating system, and
thus it is not a derived work. I don't find nvidia modules a derived
work from linux. Since they are used for other operating systems.  And I
believe you'll have a hard time convincing any court that nvidia is a
derived work.


God! I must be in the middle. With management, I'm always fighting to go
GPL, and here on LKML, I'm arguing for proprietary modules.  I must be
going psycho!

-- Steve



  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-03-28 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 98+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-27  1:15 Can't use SYSFS for "Proprietry" driver modules !!! Aaron Gyes
2005-03-27  1:29 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-27  2:55 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-27  8:57   ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-27 17:09     ` Willy Tarreau
     [not found]   ` <1111913399.6297.28.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>
2005-03-27 17:40     ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-27 17:52       ` Dave Airlie
2005-03-27 17:58         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-27 18:04       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2005-03-27 18:35         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-27 18:46           ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-27 19:16           ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-27 19:30             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-28  1:54               ` Horst von Brand
2005-03-28  9:27                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-28 12:04                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 13:12                   ` linux-os
2005-03-28 13:46                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 14:50                     ` Jan Engelhardt
     [not found]                   ` <1112016850.6003.13.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org>
2005-03-28 13:57                     ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2005-03-28 23:43                       ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29  0:21                         ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-29  0:56                           ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-29  1:27                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-29 12:15                               ` linux-os
2005-03-29 12:29                                 ` Sean
2005-03-30 19:47                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-30 19:57                                   ` linux-os
2005-03-31 11:35                                     ` Sean
2005-03-31 12:34                                       ` linux-os
2005-03-31 14:20                                         ` Sean
2005-03-31 22:55                                         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-30 23:30                                 ` John Pearson
2005-04-03 14:07                                   ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-03-29 16:31                             ` Horst von Brand
2005-03-30 14:38                               ` Olivier Galibert
2005-03-30 19:49                                 ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29  1:22                           ` Paul Jackson
2005-03-29  1:31                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28 20:47                   ` Horst von Brand
2005-03-27 19:37             ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-27 21:22             ` Diego Calleja
2005-03-27 23:09             ` Greg KH
2005-03-28 13:14             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-03-27 18:12   ` Greg KH
2005-03-29  1:04     ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-29  3:33       ` Greg KH
2005-03-29  4:03         ` Zan Lynx
2005-03-29  4:44           ` Greg KH
2005-04-03 23:41           ` Mark Lord
2005-04-04  4:01             ` Paul Jackson
2005-04-04  7:15               ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-03-29  4:28         ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-29  4:45           ` Greg KH
2005-03-29  5:01             ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-29  5:05               ` Greg KH
2005-03-29  5:29             ` Aaron Gyes
2005-03-29  5:37               ` Brian Gerst
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-28  2:04 Aaron Gyes
2005-03-28  1:03 Albert Cahalan
2005-03-27  7:21 Manfred Spraul
2005-03-27  5:20 Chuck Ebbert
2005-03-26 17:52 Mark Fortescue
2005-03-26 18:28 ` Greg KH
2005-03-26 20:34   ` Lee Revell
2005-03-26 20:46     ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-27  0:48     ` Greg KH
     [not found]       ` <1111885480.1312.9.camel@mindpipe>
2005-03-27  3:20         ` Greg KH
2005-03-27  3:30           ` Lee Revell
2005-03-27 18:10             ` Greg KH
2005-03-27 18:37               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-27 22:01                 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-27 23:54                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28  1:39                     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-28  1:50                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-28  9:31                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-03-28 14:45                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-03-27 22:41                 ` Dave Airlie
2005-03-28  0:53               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-03-27 15:04     ` Alan Cox
2005-03-28  3:56       ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2005-03-29  2:37     ` Coywolf Qi Hunt
2005-03-29  5:58       ` Jim Crilly
2005-03-28 16:52   ` Mark Fortescue
2005-03-28 18:38     ` Rik van Riel
2005-03-29  3:36     ` Greg KH
2005-03-29  6:17     ` Kevin Puetz
2005-03-27 12:42 ` Sean
2005-03-27 13:53   ` Wichert Akkerman
2005-03-27 15:06     ` Alan Cox
2005-03-28 13:12       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2005-03-29  3:41         ` Lee Revell
2005-03-29  1:53       ` David Schwartz
2005-03-29  2:06         ` Kyle Moffett
2005-03-29 19:00           ` David Schwartz
2005-03-30 14:15             ` Olivier Galibert
2005-04-02  2:11               ` David Schwartz
2005-03-27 20:50 ` James Courtier-Dutton

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